EverSure75
Don Juan
If at the end of a date a woman returns from a trip to the restroom with a slight scent of mouthwash on her breath...does that mean she was getting ready to be kissed?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Smelling like mouthwash after bathroom
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
EverSure75
Don Juan
Yup. I ****ed up last night.
It won't happen again.
EverSure75
Don Juan
Haha. Naw. We just shared a bottle of wine.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Serenity
Moderator
I don't think there's many other reasons to fresh up their mouth. She may not expect it, but she was ready for it just in case you did. Meaning she at least wouldn't mind and wouldn't stop you kissing her. So you wasted an obvious opportunity there.
Doesn't have to mean it's all fvcked up now, it's not really that bad missing it the first opportunity. But if you see her again, I do NOT want to see you post a thread about how you didn't kiss her.
Doesn't have to mean it's all fvcked up now, it's not really that bad missing it the first opportunity. But if you see her again, I do NOT want to see you post a thread about how you didn't kiss her.
Atom Smasher
Master Don Juan
I would say that usually mouthwash = anticipation of a kiss.
Posted exactly at the same time as Grewd. Mouthwash is a green light.
Posted exactly at the same time as Grewd. Mouthwash is a green light.