Last Man Standing
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Whoever pursues pays!
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I don't get that mentality, never have. So what, you invited a chick to hang out with you. Nobody said she had to accept your invitation. You didn't force her, right? So why should you fit the bill?Last Man Standing said:Whoever pursues pays!
Probably not much, I agree any date's outcome is to a large degree dependent on her IL, her having it, and you maintaining / raising it. My context was that of a date rewarding a chick thats shown you genuine interest and respect.Francisco d'Anconia said:What can a guy accomplish on an "expensive date" which he couldn't accomplish on a regular date?
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
So dinner and a movie has more value than her sharing your company??? Spending time with you isn't worthwhile unless there is something else attached to it?mzilla2 said:...My context was that of a date rewarding a chick thats shown you genuine interest and respect....
I beg to differ on both counts. Don't treat it like an interview and you have a much better chance of having a bit of kino.Colossus said:...Coffee is not good if you want to get some physical contact going, and it often does have the interview feel to it...
See the things you can learn when you don follow arbitrary societal rules.Mr. Me said:Another advantage to having a "coffee" date, is that, if she's out to use guys for free meals, she'll typically balk and refuse the date.
"I only go to dinner dates", she says.
"Why?" I ask.
"Because that way, if it doesn't work between us, we still can enjoy a nice meal, so the evening's not a total loss." She'll say. But why would I want to have a "nice meal" with someone it's not working out with? And you'll get stuck with the bill most probably. I've even heard of women who order lots of food and then take it home in a doggie bag, your treat.
It's better to determine in short order over a cup of coffee if this person is someone you wouldn't mind spending some time over a meal with first - and more importantly, if she's really into you or not. It just saves you from getting into those bad sitches.
Likewise, watch out for those that do accept coffee dates but then pull the same crap, that it's about them getting a treat rather than the focus being on meeting you:
"Okay. But not at Starbucks", she'll say. "There's a place uptown that has nicer ambience and exquisite coffees. Let's meet there!"
This helps screen out the Users up front. But when I do invite a woman out to a meal, usually after a few dates, I pay. If she offers, that's good, but I refuse that offer and I pay. It doesn't go unnoticed, because most guys will take her money at that point, and I don't want her to lump me in as being like all the others.
Before anyone jumps all over me, let me add that I'm no fool. I do look to see that within a few dates that she, in turn, is inviting me out, her treat, or offering to cook me dinner. If she doesn't, then I drop her. Plus, I don't do a lot of dinner dates. I prefer activity dates.
I also watch to see if, those times when I'm treating and she offers and I refuse, if she then keeps on insisting. That's usually a sign that she doesn't want to feel any obligation at all, which means that you only serve as a means for getting her out of her boring life for a little while, but she's not really interested.
Don't read too much into it.Francisco d'Anconia said:So dinner and a movie has more value than her sharing your company??? Spending time with you isn't worthwhile unless there is something else attached to it?![]()
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.