"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Should I build more rapport or ask her out?

the_stig

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One of my co-workers had a few friends come visit her the other day, and as they were leaving, she asked if I thought one of them was cute. I said yes, so she went over and gave her my number. She (HB7) texted a few days later and it went like this:

HER: Hey it's Sarah the chick you thought was cute on Monday
ME: Lol.. what's goin on
HER: Not much you?
ME: Just ran 5 miles and it's 103 degrees out. Whew.
HER: Oh wow drink lots of water!
ME: For sure. Hope you're staying cool. It was our hottest day in 23 years
HER: I'm at the pool tanning lol
ME: Haha prob burnt to a crisp by now
HER: Lol nope


So the ice has been broken between us. My question is: do I text her a little more to build rapport, or straight up ask her out? Was thinking of something like "hey- taking my puppy for a walk around the lakes Saturday, you should join us".

Any suggestions?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Vice

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Why don't you just call her and ask her that?
 

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the_stig said:
One of my co-workers had a few friends come visit her the other day, and as they were leaving, she asked if I thought one of them was cute. I said yes, so she went over and gave her my number. She (HB7) texted a few days later and it went like this:

HER: Hey it's Sarah the chick you thought was cute on Monday
ME: Lol.. what's goin on
HER: Not much you?
ME: Just ran 5 miles and it's 103 degrees out. Whew.
HER: Oh wow drink lots of water!
ME: For sure. Hope you're staying cool. It was our hottest day in 23 years
HER: I'm at the pool tanning lol
ME: Haha prob burnt to a crisp by now
HER: Lol nope
That's more than enough rapport. You're already a friend of her friend, right? That's all the rapport you need.

So the ice has been broken between us. My question is: do I text her a little more to build rapport, or straight up ask her out? Was thinking of something like "hey- taking my puppy for a walk around the lakes Saturday, you should join us".

Any suggestions?
I'd rather you take her for a drink. But I think that works.

You're set. Pull the trigger.
 

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CALL don't ******ing text. I learned that the hard way.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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It's amazing how things are just given to some guys.

I would kill for an opportunity like this.

Ask her out already.
 

PapiChulo

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Maxtro said:
It's amazing how things are just given to some guys.

I would kill for an opportunity like this.

Ask her out already.
And he still had to ask! Ha ha
 

PapiChulo

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Ok ok, but work the iron while it is hot. Most problems guys have are to do with timming. Go get her now.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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