Hey all, could use some perspective on this situation. Known a girl for four years, she's a game player for sure. Last night she came home with me from her birthday celebration and started acting cold, wouldn't kiss or make out with me. So I turned away from her, then later in the night she started getting frisky and so we had sex. Except, the whole time she still wouldn't kiss or make out! She kept turning her head away even as we were having sex whenever I would try. I didn't address the issue directly, because she seemed unwilling to talk about it, but haven't encountered this before. Thoughts?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
She will have sex but won't kiss me...
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Your a FWB with her and she doesn't want to feel connected. Whats funny though is many females are mimicking behaviors guys used to do, so some aren't kissing and things like this to match what guys had been doing to females. So no kissing and affection and sex for "fun".
Scaramouche
Master Don Juan
Dear Nice guy,
With Asian Birds this is not unusual at all.
With Asian Birds this is not unusual at all.
Thanks for the replies guys. I had not kissed her before. We had flirted before but this was new territory. Yeah I think I'm gonna go strongly sexual in my texts to try to meetup with her again rather than go the relationship/comfort route in my texts. I tried sending her some cute pictures of my buddy's kids and she waited a day to reply. My next message was that I wanted to finish what we began and that she left her panties at my place. I'll see if that garners a quicker reply. She's showing me she's not looking for a relationship with me so we'll see if she takes the FWB frame.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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Is she allergic to kiss you, I've seen the news with the sexy chineese girl to her boyfriend saliva allergies.May your girlfirend is allergic to something.
wifehunter
Master Don Juan
how often do you floss?
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
kissing is more intimate than sex.
Yep. It's a woman thing.
Yep. It's a woman thing.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Trust me guys I brushed right before and had gum... Definitely not bad breath. Yeah I think you guys hit on the head with her thinking kissing is more intimate than sex. I don't know on what planet this is the case, but not gonna argue with chick logic lol.
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my ex bytch was the same way. We used to kiss a lot.
But after she ****ed around on me some, she wouldn't do it before sex.
I think it's a mental obstacle. If they've been around, kisses make them feel guilty. I believe many of women's hang-ups are totally mental karma/pain.
But after she ****ed around on me some, she wouldn't do it before sex.
I think it's a mental obstacle. If they've been around, kisses make them feel guilty. I believe many of women's hang-ups are totally mental karma/pain.