I wouldn't automatically believe this.STR8UP said:But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
But then again, in our AFC nation - I wouldn't necessarily doubt it, either...
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
I wouldn't automatically believe this.STR8UP said:But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
That is the equivalent of "I am the one that always end my relationships".But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
Yea, another lady friend of mine started dating this guy a few weeks ago. About two weeks in he started telling her he wanted to meet her kids, started talking about getting serious and stuff AFTER ONLY TWO WEEKS!wayword said:I wouldn't automatically believe this.
But then again, in our AFC nation - I wouldn't necessarily doubt it, either...
I honestly could care less.Latinoman said:That is the equivalent of "I am the one that always end my relationships".
She is trying to QUALIFY herself.
A warning sign in the sense that is clearly an act of insecurity.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Seems like your doing just fine to me, why over analyze all this?CoolRunning said:So she comes over, I greet her with a hug, and put her to work helping me with dinner. I changed my style this time from being high energy and joking, to concentrating on alphaness, and rewarding good things with smiles instead of smiling all the time. We had a good conversation, and got into some deep rapport type stuff (which groups she ran with in high school, what her passions are, discussed some philosophy, etc). Body language wasn't great, but remember this is an online dating» girl...maybe she's just not calibrated like other girls. I mean I would not have at all guessed she'd agree to COME OVER TO MY PLACE based on her BL on the day1...but whatever!
So I asked if she wanted to see a movie, after we had finished dinner, and she hesitated, looked at the time, and said okay. As we were sitting down to watch, I said "hey, c'mere", hugged her, looked at her, then kissed her. She said "and that's the first kiss" <nervous laugh>. I said, "and here's the second". And I made out with her for 30 seconds or so. We sat and watched the movie, my arm around her. She reciprocated my hand kino, but nothing much else. When I moved her leg to intertwine with mine, she allowed it, but she didn't do it on her own (repeatedly).
I made out with her several times during the movie, and grazed up along her breasts (she's got GREAT ones), but I felt she was protecting them from being touched by subtly taking my hand to fondle it whenever I touched them. Touching the bare skin of her lower back was not a problem. She seemed content to make out with me for as long as I wanted, but I always stopped the making out before she did.
We were sitting on a recliner and the logistics for making out weren't great. Maybe a couch would be better? What do you think? Anyway, I was concentrating on the "escalation ladder", but I felt that she was not moving to accomodate further making out, but kind of staying still. I could have moved on top of her but I thought that might have been too much. At one point I tried a small freeze out, I go "We're just making out, nothing more." and she's like "Yeah, I know. Just making out". I kissed her neck a few times, but it didn't fix things.
I'm going to see her next week...do you have any advice? One thing is, while making out, I never really say anything. I simply don't know what to say. I told her she was very kissable. Then I told her she kissed very gently, that I liked it. But apart from that, are there things I should be saying when we're arm-in-arm, just finished kissing?
BTW: you're sitting with her on the couch. How the hell do you kiss the back of her neck? What are the logistics when she doesn't jump on top of you and start grinding? Should I just have taken her hand and, without saying a word, escorted her to my bedroom halfway through the movie even given the resistance to touching her breasts?
Really what I want to know here is if I escalated enough. The moving my hand away from her breasts was a "no", for sure. But not a verbal one. And she did still keep making out with me. It's been about 6 hours with her so far, so I'm in the 4-10 hr mark. Should I play it by ear and try to escalate more strongly next time since it'll be closer to the 'magic' 7?
Insecure women can make your life miserable. In fact, they can c0ckblock you in fashion as women tend to talk a lot (and some even write a lot).STR8UP said:I honestly could care less.
Not looking for a wife, I just wanna FUKK.
Lol, gawd how pathetic. He should have his man card PERMANENTLY REVOKED.STR8UP said:Yea, another lady friend of mine started dating this guy a few weeks ago. About two weeks in he started telling her he wanted to meet her kids, started talking about getting serious and stuff AFTER ONLY TWO WEEKS!
Bet you can guess how long that relationship lasted![]()
Ok guys. We're going out again this week. It's a weeknight, so we can't stay out too late. I'm thinking of going out for dinner, then to some bar to play pool, then back to my place where I will try to escalate to sex.CoolRunning said:So she comes over, I greet her with a hug, and put her to work helping me with dinner. I changed my style this time from being high energy and joking, to concentrating on alphaness, and rewarding good things with smiles instead of smiling all the time. We had a good conversation, and got into some deep rapport type stuff (which groups she ran with in high school, what her passions are, discussed some philosophy, etc). Body language wasn't great, but remember this is an online dating» girl...maybe she's just not calibrated like other girls. I mean I would not have at all guessed she'd agree to COME OVER TO MY PLACE based on her BL on the day1...but whatever!
So I asked if she wanted to see a movie, after we had finished dinner, and she hesitated, looked at the time, and said okay. As we were sitting down to watch, I said "hey, c'mere", hugged her, looked at her, then kissed her. She said "and that's the first kiss" <nervous laugh>. I said, "and here's the second". And I made out with her for 30 seconds or so. We sat and watched the movie, my arm around her. She reciprocated my hand kino, but nothing much else. When I moved her leg to intertwine with mine, she allowed it, but she didn't do it on her own (repeatedly).
I made out with her several times during the movie, and grazed up along her breasts (she's got GREAT ones), but I felt she was protecting them from being touched by subtly taking my hand to fondle it whenever I touched them. Touching the bare skin of her lower back was not a problem. She seemed content to make out with me for as long as I wanted, but I always stopped the making out before she did.
We were sitting on a recliner and the logistics for making out weren't great. Maybe a couch would be better? What do you think? Anyway, I was concentrating on the "escalation ladder", but I felt that she was not moving to accomodate further making out, but kind of staying still. I could have moved on top of her but I thought that might have been too much. At one point I tried a small freeze out, I go "We're just making out, nothing more." and she's like "Yeah, I know. Just making out". I kissed her neck a few times, but it didn't fix things.
I'm going to see her next week...do you have any advice? One thing is, while making out, I never really say anything. I simply don't know what to say. I told her she was very kissable. Then I told her she kissed very gently, that I liked it. But apart from that, are there things I should be saying when we're arm-in-arm, just finished kissing?
BTW: you're sitting with her on the couch. How the hell do you kiss the back of her neck? What are the logistics when she doesn't jump on top of you and start grinding? Should I just have taken her hand and, without saying a word, escorted her to my bedroom halfway through the movie even given the resistance to touching her breasts?
Really what I want to know here is if I escalated enough. The moving my hand away from her breasts was a "no", for sure. But not a verbal one. And she did still keep making out with me. It's been about 6 hours with her so far, so I'm in the 4-10 hr mark. Should I play it by ear and try to escalate more strongly next time since it'll be closer to the 'magic' 7?
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
No offense....... but it seems odd you would forget your own age/birthday. You were 27 more than a year ago? "1/1/2006: 27 y/o" It just reeks trollCoolRunning said:I'm 27.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
This is what I'm talking about. Not believing in yourself. So I guess the kissing and fondling didn't count as "sexual rapport"? If you wanted to go further you could've continued to escalate. If she became uncomfortable and wanted to stop, you'd know she wasn't ready (for whatever reason).CoolRunning said:Charm - I like your advice. You got examples of how to build sexual rapport, or learn what her values are?
What he said.Tazman said:Man up and just go for it, that's what most of them want you to do anyway.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.