I wouldn't automatically believe this.STR8UP said:But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
But then again, in our AFC nation - I wouldn't necessarily doubt it, either...
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I wouldn't automatically believe this.STR8UP said:But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
That is the equivalent of "I am the one that always end my relationships".But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
Yea, another lady friend of mine started dating this guy a few weeks ago. About two weeks in he started telling her he wanted to meet her kids, started talking about getting serious and stuff AFTER ONLY TWO WEEKS!wayword said:I wouldn't automatically believe this.
But then again, in our AFC nation - I wouldn't necessarily doubt it, either...
I honestly could care less.Latinoman said:That is the equivalent of "I am the one that always end my relationships".
She is trying to QUALIFY herself.
A warning sign in the sense that is clearly an act of insecurity.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Seems like your doing just fine to me, why over analyze all this?CoolRunning said:So she comes over, I greet her with a hug, and put her to work helping me with dinner. I changed my style this time from being high energy and joking, to concentrating on alphaness, and rewarding good things with smiles instead of smiling all the time. We had a good conversation, and got into some deep rapport type stuff (which groups she ran with in high school, what her passions are, discussed some philosophy, etc). Body language wasn't great, but remember this is an online dating» girl...maybe she's just not calibrated like other girls. I mean I would not have at all guessed she'd agree to COME OVER TO MY PLACE based on her BL on the day1...but whatever!
So I asked if she wanted to see a movie, after we had finished dinner, and she hesitated, looked at the time, and said okay. As we were sitting down to watch, I said "hey, c'mere", hugged her, looked at her, then kissed her. She said "and that's the first kiss" <nervous laugh>. I said, "and here's the second". And I made out with her for 30 seconds or so. We sat and watched the movie, my arm around her. She reciprocated my hand kino, but nothing much else. When I moved her leg to intertwine with mine, she allowed it, but she didn't do it on her own (repeatedly).
I made out with her several times during the movie, and grazed up along her breasts (she's got GREAT ones), but I felt she was protecting them from being touched by subtly taking my hand to fondle it whenever I touched them. Touching the bare skin of her lower back was not a problem. She seemed content to make out with me for as long as I wanted, but I always stopped the making out before she did.
We were sitting on a recliner and the logistics for making out weren't great. Maybe a couch would be better? What do you think? Anyway, I was concentrating on the "escalation ladder", but I felt that she was not moving to accomodate further making out, but kind of staying still. I could have moved on top of her but I thought that might have been too much. At one point I tried a small freeze out, I go "We're just making out, nothing more." and she's like "Yeah, I know. Just making out". I kissed her neck a few times, but it didn't fix things.
I'm going to see her next week...do you have any advice? One thing is, while making out, I never really say anything. I simply don't know what to say. I told her she was very kissable. Then I told her she kissed very gently, that I liked it. But apart from that, are there things I should be saying when we're arm-in-arm, just finished kissing?
BTW: you're sitting with her on the couch. How the hell do you kiss the back of her neck? What are the logistics when she doesn't jump on top of you and start grinding? Should I just have taken her hand and, without saying a word, escorted her to my bedroom halfway through the movie even given the resistance to touching her breasts?
Really what I want to know here is if I escalated enough. The moving my hand away from her breasts was a "no", for sure. But not a verbal one. And she did still keep making out with me. It's been about 6 hours with her so far, so I'm in the 4-10 hr mark. Should I play it by ear and try to escalate more strongly next time since it'll be closer to the 'magic' 7?
Insecure women can make your life miserable. In fact, they can c0ckblock you in fashion as women tend to talk a lot (and some even write a lot).STR8UP said:I honestly could care less.
Not looking for a wife, I just wanna FUKK.
Lol, gawd how pathetic. He should have his man card PERMANENTLY REVOKED.STR8UP said:Yea, another lady friend of mine started dating this guy a few weeks ago. About two weeks in he started telling her he wanted to meet her kids, started talking about getting serious and stuff AFTER ONLY TWO WEEKS!
Bet you can guess how long that relationship lasted![]()
Ok guys. We're going out again this week. It's a weeknight, so we can't stay out too late. I'm thinking of going out for dinner, then to some bar to play pool, then back to my place where I will try to escalate to sex.CoolRunning said:So she comes over, I greet her with a hug, and put her to work helping me with dinner. I changed my style this time from being high energy and joking, to concentrating on alphaness, and rewarding good things with smiles instead of smiling all the time. We had a good conversation, and got into some deep rapport type stuff (which groups she ran with in high school, what her passions are, discussed some philosophy, etc). Body language wasn't great, but remember this is an online dating» girl...maybe she's just not calibrated like other girls. I mean I would not have at all guessed she'd agree to COME OVER TO MY PLACE based on her BL on the day1...but whatever!
So I asked if she wanted to see a movie, after we had finished dinner, and she hesitated, looked at the time, and said okay. As we were sitting down to watch, I said "hey, c'mere", hugged her, looked at her, then kissed her. She said "and that's the first kiss" <nervous laugh>. I said, "and here's the second". And I made out with her for 30 seconds or so. We sat and watched the movie, my arm around her. She reciprocated my hand kino, but nothing much else. When I moved her leg to intertwine with mine, she allowed it, but she didn't do it on her own (repeatedly).
I made out with her several times during the movie, and grazed up along her breasts (she's got GREAT ones), but I felt she was protecting them from being touched by subtly taking my hand to fondle it whenever I touched them. Touching the bare skin of her lower back was not a problem. She seemed content to make out with me for as long as I wanted, but I always stopped the making out before she did.
We were sitting on a recliner and the logistics for making out weren't great. Maybe a couch would be better? What do you think? Anyway, I was concentrating on the "escalation ladder", but I felt that she was not moving to accomodate further making out, but kind of staying still. I could have moved on top of her but I thought that might have been too much. At one point I tried a small freeze out, I go "We're just making out, nothing more." and she's like "Yeah, I know. Just making out". I kissed her neck a few times, but it didn't fix things.
I'm going to see her next week...do you have any advice? One thing is, while making out, I never really say anything. I simply don't know what to say. I told her she was very kissable. Then I told her she kissed very gently, that I liked it. But apart from that, are there things I should be saying when we're arm-in-arm, just finished kissing?
BTW: you're sitting with her on the couch. How the hell do you kiss the back of her neck? What are the logistics when she doesn't jump on top of you and start grinding? Should I just have taken her hand and, without saying a word, escorted her to my bedroom halfway through the movie even given the resistance to touching her breasts?
Really what I want to know here is if I escalated enough. The moving my hand away from her breasts was a "no", for sure. But not a verbal one. And she did still keep making out with me. It's been about 6 hours with her so far, so I'm in the 4-10 hr mark. Should I play it by ear and try to escalate more strongly next time since it'll be closer to the 'magic' 7?
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
No offense....... but it seems odd you would forget your own age/birthday. You were 27 more than a year ago? "1/1/2006: 27 y/o" It just reeks trollCoolRunning said:I'm 27.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
This is what I'm talking about. Not believing in yourself. So I guess the kissing and fondling didn't count as "sexual rapport"? If you wanted to go further you could've continued to escalate. If she became uncomfortable and wanted to stop, you'd know she wasn't ready (for whatever reason).CoolRunning said:Charm - I like your advice. You got examples of how to build sexual rapport, or learn what her values are?
What he said.Tazman said:Man up and just go for it, that's what most of them want you to do anyway.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.