I wouldn't automatically believe this.STR8UP said:But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
But then again, in our AFC nation - I wouldn't necessarily doubt it, either...
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I wouldn't automatically believe this.STR8UP said:But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
That is the equivalent of "I am the one that always end my relationships".But the interesting thing is, another one of her complaints was "men always wanting to marry her".
Yea, another lady friend of mine started dating this guy a few weeks ago. About two weeks in he started telling her he wanted to meet her kids, started talking about getting serious and stuff AFTER ONLY TWO WEEKS!wayword said:I wouldn't automatically believe this.
But then again, in our AFC nation - I wouldn't necessarily doubt it, either...
I honestly could care less.Latinoman said:That is the equivalent of "I am the one that always end my relationships".
She is trying to QUALIFY herself.
A warning sign in the sense that is clearly an act of insecurity.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Seems like your doing just fine to me, why over analyze all this?CoolRunning said:So she comes over, I greet her with a hug, and put her to work helping me with dinner. I changed my style this time from being high energy and joking, to concentrating on alphaness, and rewarding good things with smiles instead of smiling all the time. We had a good conversation, and got into some deep rapport type stuff (which groups she ran with in high school, what her passions are, discussed some philosophy, etc). Body language wasn't great, but remember this is an online dating» girl...maybe she's just not calibrated like other girls. I mean I would not have at all guessed she'd agree to COME OVER TO MY PLACE based on her BL on the day1...but whatever!
So I asked if she wanted to see a movie, after we had finished dinner, and she hesitated, looked at the time, and said okay. As we were sitting down to watch, I said "hey, c'mere", hugged her, looked at her, then kissed her. She said "and that's the first kiss" <nervous laugh>. I said, "and here's the second". And I made out with her for 30 seconds or so. We sat and watched the movie, my arm around her. She reciprocated my hand kino, but nothing much else. When I moved her leg to intertwine with mine, she allowed it, but she didn't do it on her own (repeatedly).
I made out with her several times during the movie, and grazed up along her breasts (she's got GREAT ones), but I felt she was protecting them from being touched by subtly taking my hand to fondle it whenever I touched them. Touching the bare skin of her lower back was not a problem. She seemed content to make out with me for as long as I wanted, but I always stopped the making out before she did.
We were sitting on a recliner and the logistics for making out weren't great. Maybe a couch would be better? What do you think? Anyway, I was concentrating on the "escalation ladder", but I felt that she was not moving to accomodate further making out, but kind of staying still. I could have moved on top of her but I thought that might have been too much. At one point I tried a small freeze out, I go "We're just making out, nothing more." and she's like "Yeah, I know. Just making out". I kissed her neck a few times, but it didn't fix things.
I'm going to see her next week...do you have any advice? One thing is, while making out, I never really say anything. I simply don't know what to say. I told her she was very kissable. Then I told her she kissed very gently, that I liked it. But apart from that, are there things I should be saying when we're arm-in-arm, just finished kissing?
BTW: you're sitting with her on the couch. How the hell do you kiss the back of her neck? What are the logistics when she doesn't jump on top of you and start grinding? Should I just have taken her hand and, without saying a word, escorted her to my bedroom halfway through the movie even given the resistance to touching her breasts?
Really what I want to know here is if I escalated enough. The moving my hand away from her breasts was a "no", for sure. But not a verbal one. And she did still keep making out with me. It's been about 6 hours with her so far, so I'm in the 4-10 hr mark. Should I play it by ear and try to escalate more strongly next time since it'll be closer to the 'magic' 7?
Insecure women can make your life miserable. In fact, they can c0ckblock you in fashion as women tend to talk a lot (and some even write a lot).STR8UP said:I honestly could care less.
Not looking for a wife, I just wanna FUKK.
Lol, gawd how pathetic. He should have his man card PERMANENTLY REVOKED.STR8UP said:Yea, another lady friend of mine started dating this guy a few weeks ago. About two weeks in he started telling her he wanted to meet her kids, started talking about getting serious and stuff AFTER ONLY TWO WEEKS!
Bet you can guess how long that relationship lasted![]()
Ok guys. We're going out again this week. It's a weeknight, so we can't stay out too late. I'm thinking of going out for dinner, then to some bar to play pool, then back to my place where I will try to escalate to sex.CoolRunning said:So she comes over, I greet her with a hug, and put her to work helping me with dinner. I changed my style this time from being high energy and joking, to concentrating on alphaness, and rewarding good things with smiles instead of smiling all the time. We had a good conversation, and got into some deep rapport type stuff (which groups she ran with in high school, what her passions are, discussed some philosophy, etc). Body language wasn't great, but remember this is an online dating» girl...maybe she's just not calibrated like other girls. I mean I would not have at all guessed she'd agree to COME OVER TO MY PLACE based on her BL on the day1...but whatever!
So I asked if she wanted to see a movie, after we had finished dinner, and she hesitated, looked at the time, and said okay. As we were sitting down to watch, I said "hey, c'mere", hugged her, looked at her, then kissed her. She said "and that's the first kiss" <nervous laugh>. I said, "and here's the second". And I made out with her for 30 seconds or so. We sat and watched the movie, my arm around her. She reciprocated my hand kino, but nothing much else. When I moved her leg to intertwine with mine, she allowed it, but she didn't do it on her own (repeatedly).
I made out with her several times during the movie, and grazed up along her breasts (she's got GREAT ones), but I felt she was protecting them from being touched by subtly taking my hand to fondle it whenever I touched them. Touching the bare skin of her lower back was not a problem. She seemed content to make out with me for as long as I wanted, but I always stopped the making out before she did.
We were sitting on a recliner and the logistics for making out weren't great. Maybe a couch would be better? What do you think? Anyway, I was concentrating on the "escalation ladder", but I felt that she was not moving to accomodate further making out, but kind of staying still. I could have moved on top of her but I thought that might have been too much. At one point I tried a small freeze out, I go "We're just making out, nothing more." and she's like "Yeah, I know. Just making out". I kissed her neck a few times, but it didn't fix things.
I'm going to see her next week...do you have any advice? One thing is, while making out, I never really say anything. I simply don't know what to say. I told her she was very kissable. Then I told her she kissed very gently, that I liked it. But apart from that, are there things I should be saying when we're arm-in-arm, just finished kissing?
BTW: you're sitting with her on the couch. How the hell do you kiss the back of her neck? What are the logistics when she doesn't jump on top of you and start grinding? Should I just have taken her hand and, without saying a word, escorted her to my bedroom halfway through the movie even given the resistance to touching her breasts?
Really what I want to know here is if I escalated enough. The moving my hand away from her breasts was a "no", for sure. But not a verbal one. And she did still keep making out with me. It's been about 6 hours with her so far, so I'm in the 4-10 hr mark. Should I play it by ear and try to escalate more strongly next time since it'll be closer to the 'magic' 7?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
No offense....... but it seems odd you would forget your own age/birthday. You were 27 more than a year ago? "1/1/2006: 27 y/o" It just reeks trollCoolRunning said:I'm 27.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
This is what I'm talking about. Not believing in yourself. So I guess the kissing and fondling didn't count as "sexual rapport"? If you wanted to go further you could've continued to escalate. If she became uncomfortable and wanted to stop, you'd know she wasn't ready (for whatever reason).CoolRunning said:Charm - I like your advice. You got examples of how to build sexual rapport, or learn what her values are?
What he said.Tazman said:Man up and just go for it, that's what most of them want you to do anyway.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.