"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Second Date No Kiss on Close

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Okay, so had successful first date, and got a second date during which I didn't really get any vibe from her to go for kiss close, but I did initiate heavy kino (small of back, arms, hands, legs, stomach) but all I was getting was slight bumping into me and open body language. After the second date I gave them a double kiss on the cheek (figured some progress is better than none).

Unlike last time though she didn't mention any future plans of meeting up.

Have I totally screwed this up? Is a full on kiss on close a big deal if the person seems to be hesitant?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Kiss on the cheek?? Only cheek I'm kissing is butt cheeks! Lmao jk. Been there man sometimes you have to CREATE an opportunity yourself. There's no right time just man up and do it! Otherwise from sound of it you're heading down friend zone quick.

And why should she mention plans?! That's your job bro! You're the man. Wait few days ask her out again have fun make her laugh and kiss close at least. Good luck.
 
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Then she's busy lol stop stressing about it. Wait few days again and set a date, no counter offer then next her.
 
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Better to go for it and get rejected. If you get a third date better create an opportunity
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Busy with no attempt to reschedule. Guess I blew it.
 
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Okay, so after a couple of days she replied saying she's busy with her current project at work, and it's effectively clogging up all her time this month but offered a rain check (with no counter offer)

Do I follow the suite in this article: http://www.sosuave.com/quick/tip167.htm

Or do I simply next her? This is the second time she's given me the run around, the previous time she was busy, after that she was distant when I saw her.


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Move on bro. This one's cooked.
She's flaked twice with no counter offer and even threw in the old "I won't be free for a month" excuse.
She's just trying to let you down easy. Don't give her any more of your time and conserve your pride.
 
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And do I even bother replying? I tend to see her in a group setting on weekends and she waited 2 days to reply do I even waste time replying rather than wait till I see her in person?

Assume I just say reply with a short answer, pretty much showing minimal concern?

Edit: Also she's really only got next week, as the week after that she's gone for an Easter holiday for a week.

Her words were she's busy with work until Easter for now, after which she hopes to be done with it and offered the rain check. (Basic gist, was a bit more in-depth).
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Bali said:
And do I even bother replying? I tend to see her in a group setting on weekends and she waited 2 days to reply do I even waste time replying rather than wait till I see her in person?

Assume I just say reply with a short answer, pretty much showing minimal concern?

Edit: Also she's really only got next week, as the week after that she's gone for an Easter holiday for a week.

Her words were she's busy with work until Easter for now, after which she hopes to be done with it and offered the rain check. (Basic gist, was a bit more in-depth).
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Read what you just wrote and you will realize that now you are explaining her side of things.

That means she got some what of a control on you.

She is keeping you on a lease- would you like to stay on the lease ? Choice is yours.

If yes > reply back with whatever you feel is right
If no > reply back with "K text me once you are free from all the clutter and we can set up something"

Then do not text her until she texts you back to set up a date- don't text chat her or keep in touch with her -you'll end up in the friend zone with no chance of return since you are already didn't do anything on the first two dates you had.

Good Luck
 
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mv.89 said:
Read what you just wrote and you will realize that now you are explaining her side of things.

That means she got some what of a control on you.

She is keeping you on a lease- would you like to stay on the lease ? Choice is yours.

If yes > reply back with whatever you feel is right
If no > reply back with "K text me once you are free from all the clutter and we can set up something"

Then do not text her until she texts you back to set up a date- don't text chat her or keep in touch with her -you'll end up in the friend zone with no chance of return since you are already didn't do anything on the first two dates you had.

Good Luck
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Thanks, I went with the obvious answer, but with tweaked wording. NC starts today.
 
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