"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Routine for shoulders?

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Face pulls?
Shrugs?
Upright rows?
Never done them. Shrugs are good, yes, but HSPUs work your traps as well, face pulls and especially upright rows are kind of unnatural movements for me
 

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Shoulders are not a large muscle group. They don't need special attention. Beach / Row superset hits them. Just throw in overhead press and you're good.

I'm partial to trap bar deadlifts as well, since shrugs was mentioned.
 

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Shoulders are not a large muscle group. They don't need special attention. Beach / Row superset hits them. Just throw in overhead press and you're good.
I agree with this, when it gets right down to it. In actuality, the only real results I ever got with shoulders specifically were from presses above the head, regardless of the type. They add width that other things can't. Similar to how squats and deads add a certain 'look' to your body. It's hard to really explain.

I don't mind the other isolation exercises, maybe they add some depth or something, but I've never had results with them.
 
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