"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Well it was worth it hanging around for a year Macavoy I mean are you spininng three plates right now
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You bring up a very valid point. I'm glad you did. Since your new to the site, I'll point something very important out to you. You have to watch out for keyboard jockeys and guys that don't know what they are talking about, this is afterall an anonymous internet forum.

However you'll learn after a while who the respected posters are. One of the best ways to judge is to look at other posts and by threads started by a poster. My point is be wary of the advice you receive here, don't take it for gold.

What will be far more helpful is reading things like the bible, the book of pook and other archived posts. Because that is what will give you the knowledge to make decisions on your own. It will give you the foundation to be a better man, a more successful man.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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its not entirely black and white as you guys make out but not as gray as I woudl liek it to be
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And herein lies the truth my new friend. Your a smart guy, however like all us of, we make blunders. I do it as well. However thats what we are here for, to point things out. Many times on this forum, guys will be screaming that its black and white, AFC's will rationalize that its grey. The important thing for you is to find the balance and live your life accordingly.
 
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dongorgon whats your point i dont care about how many other guys are getting her action all i am interested is what action i get !!if it takes a year so what I have an extemely busy life work, study , sports . family, other plates spinning ....sometimes projects take time to fit into a busy schedule
 
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Point taken Macavoy look dont get me wrong I have really enjoyed the feedback you have and others have given me. After some deep introspection I think i persvered with her too long because i had my other plates to bounce back too when i got rejected .. There was a bit of push pull there as soon as cut contact with her after a bad date she was quick to initiate contact again. This is what confused me cos i coudlnt see the motivation for her doing that. On our dates I didnt do ****y/funny i ddint try to impress her i didnt qualify herself i just pitched in with gunwitch style body language and kino. So there was a lot of tension on our dates which generally ended in aragument .. I mean why did she want to keep doing this and for that matter why teh hell did I
 
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You're just a friend and that's all you are. Otherwise, she wouldn't get upset when you touch her. She would be longing for your touch. Keep her as a friend only or next her. You have no other options.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Even g/f's where we were always been friends and never sexual, don't mind some contact-assuming they don't have issues or are on guard for sexual advances. I don't know what degree you're talking about here, but if mild kino is sending her scurrying after 12 dates, I would just move on. That's way too much work and not likely to go anywhere.

Not knew to dating, but more due to the DJ stuff-I go with the three date rule as well. I am not yet so good at it that I have to nail her by the 3rd date per se (though in most cases, I'd say it's ideal), but it better at least be clear by that point that you're expecting things to go further, in which case kino should be perfectly acceptable.

It does sound like you're an orbiter, and as soon as she finds someone she's just a tad more interested in passing the time with, you won't hear from here anymore. Best to move on now.
 
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MotownMack said:
Even g/f's where we were always been friends and never sexual, don't mind some contact-assuming they don't have issues or are on guard for sexual advances. I don't know what degree you're talking about here, but if mild kino is sending her scurrying after 12 dates, I would just move on. That's way too much work and not likely to go anywhere.

Not knew to dating, but more due to the DJ stuff-I go with the three date rule as well. I am not yet so good at it that I have to nail her by the 3rd date per se (though in most cases, I'd say it's ideal), but it better at least be clear by that point that you're expecting things to go further, in which case kino should be perfectly acceptable.

It does sound like you're an orbiter, and as soon as she finds someone she's just a tad more interested in passing the time with, you won't hear from here anymore. Best to move on now.
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Yes good advice I hear what you are saying .. wasted too much time orbiting around her .. still cant figure out why she stuck in there though cos i wasnt validating her and i was doing kino right from the word go and she would get mad and just keep coming bak for more. and honestly all I can think is maybe she was filling in a quiet weekend rather than being by herself , but you are right her time is definitely up !!!
 
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You're just a friend and that's all you are. Otherwise, she wouldn't get upset when you touch her. She would be longing for your touch. Keep her as a friend only or next her. You have no other options.
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you are right but i dont have girl - friends as rule its all or nothing ( she slid past my defence ) thats why i will NEXT her properly thanx for the input as it has sorted my head out
 
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