Master Don Juan
- Oct 12, 2009
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How do you factor in the other scores like smart and trustworthy?
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No, I don't think so. I'm up to 41 approaches with 1 date and no second date. I haven't had any success since being red pilled. But you have to crawl before you can walk. Even the donjuans on here attest to it being numbers. So it's a numbers game no matter your skill or looks, or value. There's another guy on another forum that was a virgin until 30. Approached hundreds of women, been on 60+ dates with the majority of them not getting a second. But he slowly made progress. Little by little. From nothing to t!ttie sucking, to fingering, to getting bjs, eating pvssy. Working on his game.Would you say that you are good with game?
It's about perceived value from the female. Another guy on here said he was perceived by a female as a 6, but because he was bold enough to approach her, her perceived value of him jumped to an 8. So a 4 can be perceived as more valuable to a female as well.The black-pill argument is not that it elevates you to a 7, that's are showing enough confidence and charisma to attract her as a 5.
I don't care if women view me as smart or trustworthy, I only care about figuring out how to give them the tingles. Though I would treat it with the same logic. They are more favorable though since you asked. With about half of the votes being yes to both categories. This is good if I am the dark triad type haha.How do you factor in the other scores like smart and trustworthy?
Yes, but that's one part of the picture. How many woman walked away quickly, were creeped out, or called security/police?No, I don't think so. I'm up to 41 approaches with 1 date and no second date.
The numbers vary based on skills, looks, or value. It could be the difference between 3,5,50, or 1000 approaches or whether there are mild rejections or the police being called.DonJuanjr said:I haven't had any success since being red pilled. But you have to crawl before you can walk. Even the donjuans on here attest to it being numbers. So it's a numbers game no matter your skill or looks, or value.
While it may be true, that some of the notes indicated the shirt didn't look good, the photo looked bland or there should have been more smile/facial expression. The facial expression looks like I'm holding up a big turd and need to use the washroom or something...I don't know.You can only control what you can. The way you dress, groom, and have game.
For the most part yes. Sometimes I may just approach a female that I may not be attracted to just to see if I can capitalize while being on a roll. If I got the girls number it doesn't mean I have to call her right?Do you really keep your standards on the types of girls you want after all those approaches?
I already admitted to not having any results since being red pilled. Doesn't mean a snowball effect won't take place when I get my game locked down. The way I see it, it may take 100 approaches to get my game locked down. It may take double that. But it doesn't mean it will be the standard. Once my game is locked down, The ratio will get smaller. It might get to where it's 1 in 8 approaches. .If you didn't get a second date, then technically you didn't really get any results either?
Where do you find the time to do these approaches and where do you even do them?
on photofeeler , depending on the picture I ranged between 8 and 9.9 , and most of the times around the 9 markYou are very optimistic about my numbers. You see, I put an age category up to 44. If I kept it below 29 or 24, I'm sure the results would be probably worst.
But we've both have the same results. You said you have had zero results since being red-pilled, and I have also have zero results since being black-pilled. But you are doing more work then I am to get the same results, lol! According to the black-pill logic, you being a 5, if you have your game locked down, you should be getting 1 in 50 approaches (ie all the way/getting a gf, etc...). If you are correct and do 1:8 then you'll prove the black-pill charts wrong!
But there is always that 1 in a Million girl.
I appreciate the fact that you are trying to make me feel better after such brutal scores. I am waiting for the results of that other order I've made to assess my looksmaxxing potential, (ie potential opportunity cost about not improving my looks).on photofeeler , depending on the picture I ranged between 8 and 9.9 , and most of the times around the 9 mark
guess what , if I do not do approaches I do not get laid either
man , no matter what people say , I like having long term women in my lifeI appreciate the fact that you are trying to make me feel better after such brutal scores. I am waiting for the results of that other order I've made to assess my looksmaxxing potential, (ie potential opportunity cost about not improving my looks).
But what you are saying is very correct, if you don't approach you likely won't get laid, but you have an opportunity cost where you could have got laid if you did, lets say 3 or 5 women, esp if they showed you IOIs. I have also read your other threads and already figured out you are high on the looks scale based on your mindset about women would reflect a different reality. For example, someone in your looksscale would not see the sense in marriage or relationships because you already have allot of options. You might have to chase a little here or there, but its a small price and you usually will not get an ego-hit. You are not invisible to women and you'll WANT to make approaches because you would feel welcome to do so because you know they WANT to be approached by you. Am I not correct in my assessment?
However, if we take @DonJuanjr, 41approaches and no results, just one date, means if he didn't approach those women there is no opportunity cost to him. Certainly not 3-5 women! If I have a lower score than him, then its less likely I'll see an opportunity cost of not approaching or using OLD. If there is no opportunity cost then any feeling of regret of not approaching or taking action becomes invalidated since it's easy to dismiss the fact that she would have welcomed the approach anyway and it would have lead to something.
However, I am serious about finding out about looksmaxxing potential and I want to see if I can improve my looks/picture/presentation to AT LEAST a 5 or higher.
You know, even if you get rejections, you're still changing your personality in the process while slowly building a skill. So even though I haven't had sex with any of the women I've approached so far, it wasn't a waste of time.However, if we take @DonJuanjr, 41approaches and no results, just one date, means if he didn't approach those women there is no opportunity cost to him.
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How are you changing your personality in the process? I can see you are developing tougher skin. However, if you just play LEVEL 1 in any game that has 100 Levels, then you are just getting good at Level 1. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but cold approaching with a goal of getting a second date or sex sounds like you getting good at Level 1 and possibility Level 2.You know, even if you get rejections, you're still changing your personality in the process while slowly building a skill. So even though I haven't had sex with any of the women I've approached so far, it wasn't a waste of time.
I don't see how mastery at Level 1 of a game would help with mastery at Level 40. There are allot of dynamics involved in a developing and established relationship that's not covered by developing thicker skin with cold approach. In fact, if you have to cold approach a large number of women and the relationship/marriage doesn't work out, then you are back to square one and have to start from scratch with a dreaded large number of approaches! Your game and skill-set will weaken as you are in a relationship/marriage since you already have someone.DonJuanjr said:
Again, I don't see how limited experience doing some cold approaches would help you 1 or 2 years into a marriage.It becomes who you are. You internalize it.
So what are you advocating then? MGTOW? What is your end goal?