zerocelcius
Master Don Juan
Whoomp there it is!
You get a gold Star!
You get a gold Star!
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I used to be treated horribly in middleschool. I was miserable. All my friends just kept me around to make fun of me and give me a hard time. I just sat at home and read books ALL the time. In High school, I came out of my shell a little bit. I got a hot girlfriend (who knows how THAT happened) and that gave me a little respect. I am a smart, witty guy and I know how to speak but it has been a long process to learn those things. I have spent many, many, many hours analyzing speech patterns and habits of the unpopular or unliked people I see around me. I search for those attributes in myself and I eliminate them. These include things like:Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
I think the poise is from being treated as if she/he is important. We talked about this sh.it in my interpersonal comm class last week: People who are treated well by their peer group from an early will always be treated well, things can change, but for the most part they will always have that something special. For nerd boy to get that same inner confidence is going to take some hard work, not carring is not confidence...
Same here!If highschool-era ikkenai and current-era ikkenai could meet, they wouldn't recognize each other.
Sorry Nishbuk, you are totally wrong (and sorry, I must once again refer to your youth). In my case, I have a very successful career, high income, have more money than I know what to do with alot of the time, and have always had a girlfriend or wife since I was about 15 years old. My problem is, I'm not happy with my relationship situation, and I realize I'm trapped to some degree by my limitations. Sure, a person can change superficial things, but when your problem is likely personality or ingrained attributes, it's difficult to change - difficult to change if you even knew what those issues were - when does a female or anyone give you usefull info. about yourself so you can change ?You don't have a successful job that FULFILLS you as a person, you probably don't have as much money as you want. You probably haven't found a life purpose. You probably haven't been all that successful with women...
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Sorry, but you sound like someone that has GIVEN UP.Originally posted by BigFoot
I've read Doc Love, read the discussion groups, watched others who are successful, gained alot of experience myself, and realized something: most people probably can't change their attractiveness or relationship success all that much.
We are basically born with certain looks and characteristics; we then develop those somewhat through our early learning experiences. After that, it's very difficult to change those basic attributes.
Some people have it, some don't.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Yes, but that is what gives you the confidence that you can build on to do other things. If you look good, you feel good. If you feel good, you have the confidence to go up and start that conversation with that cute girl you have been eyeing.Originally posted by BigFoot
I haven't given up Luvr, but last night I realized I have some real limitations, and they are not easy to change even if one knew what they were. I agree changing superficial things like your appearance is pretty easy.
I used to be like you. I used to tell myself those exact same things. But that was the problem:Originally posted by Tazman
I agree that you can "modify" certain behaviours but I'm sceptical of people who say they've completely changed their attitude/mannerisms. I'm an introverted person; although I have moments of "extrovertedness" I'm still a shy guy at heart.
I don't think it's possible for me to change who I am, I'll always be who I am.
I have definitely modified my behaviour to make myself more successful with women but I don't think it's possible to change who I am inside.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
There are many ways that you can make your skin better looking/virbant.Originally posted by animal crackers
How do you change your skin quality?
Tell us what specifically you are trying to change in your character and maybe in your relationships and let us see what we can come up with.Originally posted by BigFoot
Thanks MrLuvr. I HAVE worked at it , in fact I'm the type of person that is constantly trying to improve in a number of areas, but I have found I have limitations in maintaining relationships with women (women that I really want that is) that I seem to be repeating and that are probably part of my basic character and not changeable.