"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Reached heavy kino, but not full-close - analysis and suggestions welcome (LONG)

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Hi everybody,

Now there's this girl (HB7 I guess) (no-no, not an one-itits, I date
others).

Initiated kino on the first date (carried her over a puddle of mud, then kissed in the lips at the end of the date).
Some wine drinking and kissing in the rain on the second date (plus some pattern followed up by a real-life surprise stemming from that pattern).

Then a mini-date - just walked her home and then involved in a some kind of shamanic ritual to summon snow & cold (tambourine included). Again, some hugging and cheek kissing (it was quite cold and her lips would have chapped).

Finally, the third full date for which I prepared a scene from her own dream (she had told me that on one of the previous dates). The girl was really surprised. Then I invited her to my place just to drop some props prepared for the scene, we watched some photos, then some other magic ritual which escalated into kissing and heavy kino (up to kissing her breasts).

Initially, there was no big LMR, but it grew gradually. I displayed some persistency, but since we work together, I don't want to gamble too much, so to say - so I eventually stopped but was trying to keep the body language like "OK lady I know what's going on and it's OK if we wait for a little while". Then, walking her home, I told her something like "Some women believe that if they sleep with a guy early, he'll easily loose interest,
but with some guys (SP) things are different". The story cheered her up (she was somewhat nervous when we left my place).

Then, she invited me for a cup of tea, the body language was quite positive, but the LMR defense remained. Again, out of the ethics reasons I decided not to go caveman. We were drinking the tea and chatting with good rapport. Then I kissed her goodbye (again in the lips) and went home (number-closing another girl in the subway ;)
Now, the questions:

a) How "lethal" it was not to proceed with physical contact escalation (keeping the ethics issue in mind)?

b) What would be my best further steps to close the deal (the goal is LTR, not ONS)?
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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a) It wasn't. Showing respect is good.

b) Stop thinking so much and putting pressure on yourself and her. Otherwise how are you supposed to enjoy yourself. You sound like a fun guy to be around. Put a end to that would be "lethal".

PS

Whats LMR???
 

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Cheers Alphathree.

LMR, Patterns, ONS, LTR, physical contact escalation ????
Horizon picking up chicks is not a programming language.

PS LJBF OK
 

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^, Yes HORIZON please stop using acronyms it's quite obvious Horizon posts under another name. Now for suggestions? None, you seem to be doing well, continue what you're doing and you will achieve what you dream of.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Acronyms etc.

Thanks everyone for your replies!

I indeed post under another name, but not on this forum. The original post was copied from there, hence all the acronyms (they are more than acceptable there, so I assumed they would be as acceptbale on this forum).

It is my first post here, so please don't bust me hard - I will accomodate to the local culture over time.
 

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There's nothing really wrong with what you wrote.

Personnally, Once things start getting hot and heavy I've yet to have a girl stop things... probly cause I'll take as much time as it takes.

For example, if we're making out for like 10-20 minutes, I might run my hand under the brim of her shirt and then go back... she might see that hint and take her shirt off or do something to show 'don't stop'.
 
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