"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Reached heavy kino, but not full-close - analysis and suggestions welcome (LONG)

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Hi everybody,

Now there's this girl (HB7 I guess) (no-no, not an one-itits, I date
others).

Initiated kino on the first date (carried her over a puddle of mud, then kissed in the lips at the end of the date).
Some wine drinking and kissing in the rain on the second date (plus some pattern followed up by a real-life surprise stemming from that pattern).

Then a mini-date - just walked her home and then involved in a some kind of shamanic ritual to summon snow & cold (tambourine included). Again, some hugging and cheek kissing (it was quite cold and her lips would have chapped).

Finally, the third full date for which I prepared a scene from her own dream (she had told me that on one of the previous dates). The girl was really surprised. Then I invited her to my place just to drop some props prepared for the scene, we watched some photos, then some other magic ritual which escalated into kissing and heavy kino (up to kissing her breasts).

Initially, there was no big LMR, but it grew gradually. I displayed some persistency, but since we work together, I don't want to gamble too much, so to say - so I eventually stopped but was trying to keep the body language like "OK lady I know what's going on and it's OK if we wait for a little while". Then, walking her home, I told her something like "Some women believe that if they sleep with a guy early, he'll easily loose interest,
but with some guys (SP) things are different". The story cheered her up (she was somewhat nervous when we left my place).

Then, she invited me for a cup of tea, the body language was quite positive, but the LMR defense remained. Again, out of the ethics reasons I decided not to go caveman. We were drinking the tea and chatting with good rapport. Then I kissed her goodbye (again in the lips) and went home (number-closing another girl in the subway ;)
Now, the questions:

a) How "lethal" it was not to proceed with physical contact escalation (keeping the ethics issue in mind)?

b) What would be my best further steps to close the deal (the goal is LTR, not ONS)?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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a) It wasn't. Showing respect is good.

b) Stop thinking so much and putting pressure on yourself and her. Otherwise how are you supposed to enjoy yourself. You sound like a fun guy to be around. Put a end to that would be "lethal".

PS

Whats LMR???
 

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Cheers Alphathree.

LMR, Patterns, ONS, LTR, physical contact escalation ????
Horizon picking up chicks is not a programming language.

PS LJBF OK
 

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^, Yes HORIZON please stop using acronyms it's quite obvious Horizon posts under another name. Now for suggestions? None, you seem to be doing well, continue what you're doing and you will achieve what you dream of.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Acronyms etc.

Thanks everyone for your replies!

I indeed post under another name, but not on this forum. The original post was copied from there, hence all the acronyms (they are more than acceptable there, so I assumed they would be as acceptbale on this forum).

It is my first post here, so please don't bust me hard - I will accomodate to the local culture over time.
 

So pimp its scary

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There's nothing really wrong with what you wrote.

Personnally, Once things start getting hot and heavy I've yet to have a girl stop things... probly cause I'll take as much time as it takes.

For example, if we're making out for like 10-20 minutes, I might run my hand under the brim of her shirt and then go back... she might see that hint and take her shirt off or do something to show 'don't stop'.
 
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