Rate this guys face plz

[BeExcellent]

You've essentially been asking(albeit not directly and explicitly):
"Are male model looks all that's required to snag cooter?"

And I've more than once replied:
"Nope... Looks are only one weapon in a fella's arsenal"

There's nothing either myself or anyone else can say that'll convince you otherwise, hombre. Your current thought process is the male equivalent of chicks believing: "If my A Cups become Double Ds tommorow, men would be lusting after me more fiercely than they do Sydney Sweeny, even though I've declared a moratorium on shaving my underarms, and believe Pauly Shore the pinnacle of comedic brilliance"

This.

 

[Cheeky_James]

You've essentially been asking(albeit not directly and explicitly):
"Are male model looks all that's required to snag cooter?"

And I've more than once replied:
"Nope... Looks are only one weapon in a fella's arsenal"

There's nothing either myself or anyone else can say that'll convince you otherwise, hombre. Your current thought process is the male equivalent of chicks believing: "If my A Cups become Double Ds tommorow, men would be lusting after me more fiercely than they do Sydney Sweeny, even though I've declared a moratorium on shaving my underarms, and believe Pauly Shore the pinnacle of comedic brilliance"

no , ‘are male model looks all that is required ’ is was never my assertion.

Female attraction is primarily Looks based is my assertion. His Looks & Status (assessed via a guys ‘’Look” / thin slice.. in a few seconds)

And that a guys ‘game’ …in his conversation/personality plays a very minimal role in his getting with a woman initially.

For the early stages of any relationship (assuming they get together quickly)

That’s what I’ve been saying.

Plus - pointing out that the members of this forum. For the majority… underrate guys looks on the 1/10 scale …thereby Downplaying the Looks factor in how they actually got women.

that’s my acfual position and opinion.
As a very experienced guy with women .

 

[BaronOfHair]

And that a guys ‘game’ …in his conversation/personality plays a very minimal role in his getting with a woman initially.

Continue on thinking and behaving as you have then. Your prospects for greater success with the ladies than you currently enjoy are mightier than those of the upstart gangster, who really believes that speaking and acting just like Joe Pesci in RL* is a surefire path towards becoming the kingpin some day


*Even though the fella JP portrayed didn't last long https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_DeSimone outside the realm of fiction

 

[characternote]

no , ‘are male model looks all that is required ’ is was never my assertion.

Female attraction is primarily Looks based is my assertion. His Looks & Status (assessed via a guys ‘’Look” / thin slice.. in a few seconds)

And that a guys ‘game’ …in his conversation/personality plays a very minimal role in his getting with a woman initially.

For the early stages of any relationship (assuming they get together quickly)

That’s what I’ve been saying.

Plus - pointing out that the members of this forum. For the majority… underrate guys looks on the 1/10 scale …thereby Downplaying the Looks factor in how they actually got women.

that’s my acfual position and opinion.
As a very experienced guy with women .

A common phrase you see everywhere now in regards to cold approach is that you have to meet her personal 'looks threshold' if you want a romantic chance with her. Without meeting it, your ability to flirt isn't relevant to her. If that's all you're essentially saying, I don't think that's contentious tbh

 

[user2827]

no , ‘are male model looks all that is required ’ is was never my assertion.

Female attraction is primarily Looks based is my assertion. His Looks & Status (assessed via a guys ‘’Look” / thin slice.. in a few seconds)

And that a guys ‘game’ …in his conversation/personality plays a very minimal role in his getting with a woman initially.

For the early stages of any relationship (assuming they get together quickly)

That’s what I’ve been saying.

Plus - pointing out that the members of this forum. For the majority… underrate guys looks on the 1/10 scale …thereby Downplaying the Looks factor in how they actually got women.

that’s my acfual position and opinion.
As a very experienced guy with women .

Guys really struggle to rate other guys on looks, if only because guys look at other guys by the metrics that they would use to rate women. Except women are looking at completely different things in what they consider attractive than a guy would think.

This was highlighted most with my late wife, I got that "gigachad" filter as a joke and pushed that as the ideal version of my look. Think the squarest of jawlines, and facial angles that look like they could cut glass. She really didn't grasp why I saw that as some ideal.

Point being; whatever a guy might rate another guy has little connection with how women would rate that guy.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Guys really struggle to rate other guys on looks, if only because guys look at other guys by the metrics that they would use to rate women. Except women are looking at completely different things in what they consider attractive than a guy would think.

not quite sure how this could be the case mate.
As men don’t generally look like women ya know.
We don’t have hourglass figures. tits and nice peachy asses?
And the other obvious differences of the face and hair.
Makes no sense this statement tbh.

This was highlighted most with my late wife, I got that "gigachad" filter as a joke and pushed that as the ideal version of my look. Think the squarest of jawlines, and facial angles that look like they could cut glass. She really didn't grasp why I saw that as some ideal.

Point being; whatever a guy might rate another guy has little connection with how women would rate that guy.

Seems to be the case on this forum.
That’s for sure.. lol.
some member on this thread disputed that George Clooney is top tier.

Y’know, that guy.
The global male sex symbol with the nickname ‘Gorgeous George’

LMAO.
the truth is out there fellas ..just open your eyes
Trust and believe. .

Ps btw I’d like to see the gigaChad version of your face for the lols.

 

[Cheeky_James]

A common phrase you see everywhere now in regards to cold approach is that you have to meet her personal 'looks threshold' if you want a romantic chance with her. Without meeting it, your ability to flirt isn't relevant to her. If that's all you're essentially saying, I don't think that's contentious tbh

that’s a more concise way of saying it yeah.
The part I am trying to debug in my own game currently is this ‘oersonality’ assessment bit. That next bit that comes after a dude passes the looks threshold and her first screen.

that bit I would argue is not ‘personality’ per se.
It’s a dudes status on the totem pole of ‘Alphaness’.
His belief of entitlement and his power frame.

IMO This is the ‘feeling’ that amplifies her attraction and desire ..and seals the deal for a guy to get the chick into bed.. it’s the ‘feeling’ that he is above her.

and actually ..that he doesn’t care that much about her . He’s ‘IDGAF ‘ about her. And is superior . That puts her in the chaser frame, which is where she wants to be ‘feelings’ wise.

I don’t think all of the above equates to ‘personality’. It’s moreso she feels he has Power. (High status)

it’s moreso a power dynamic thing.

And I reckon this can be set up with a game strategy and key behaviours in the first few minutes.

that’s my thoughts.
@BaronOfHair fyi on above also.
Ironically, you’re not far off with your Pesci /Goodfellas analogy actually.
But I’m stating the exact opposite of your opinion re the success of that kind of persona

 

[BaronOfHair]

But I’m stating the exact opposite of your opinion re the success of that kind of persona

You may find a gal or two who finds a man who feign curiosity, then desperately attempts to prove everyone who challenges his pre-existing beliefs "wrong" to be extremely sexy

Same way there are probably at least a couple of viewers out there who deem Hilary Duff "The 21st century's most underrated thespian"

 

[user2827]

not quite sure how this could be the case mate.
As men don’t generally look like women ya know.
We don’t have hourglass figures. tits and nice peachy asses?
And the other obvious differences of the face and hair.
Makes no sense this statement tbh.

Yes, men don't generally look like women or vice versa. So, men will look at a woman's facial features for features that express youth, fertility, and general health. Then if asked to rate a man on looks will tend to try to take those features in how they would assess a man's looks, where women might look to features that show strength, confidence, or power (whatever the actual list would be is less important, other than to note the list is different).

Seems to be the case on this forum.
That’s for sure.. lol.
some member on this thread disputed that George Clooney is top tier.

Y’know, that guy.
The global male sex symbol with the nickname ‘Gorgeous George’

LMAO.
the truth is out there fellas ..just open your eyes
Trust and believe. .

Ps btw I’d like to see the gigaChad version of your face for the lols.

Clooney is a fair example; just going off of the wiki photo, since that was the top search result, I would probably rate him as somewhere around 7-8, better than average looks. However, clearly when women look at him they are rating him as exceptionally good looking and so, from a female perspective must be getting rated somewhere between 8-10...

The other factor to consider is that when men rate women, it usually falls in a bell curve distribution where most get rated around average. Women rate men typically in an inverse bell curve, as in moat are rated 1-3 or 8-10 with very few landing in the average range.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Yes, men don't generally look like women or vice versa. So, men will look at a woman's facial features for features that express youth, fertility, and general health. Then if asked to rate a man on looks will tend to try to take those features in how they would assess a man's looks, where women might look to features that show strength, confidence, or power (whatever the actual list would be is less important, other than to note the list is different).




Clooney is a fair example; just going off of the wiki photo, since that was the top search result, I would probably rate him as somewhere around 7-8, better than average looks. However, clearly when women look at him they are rating him as exceptionally good looking and so, from a female perspective must be getting rated somewhere between 8-10...

The other factor to consider is that when men rate women, it usually falls in a bell curve distribution where most get rated around average. Women rate men typically in an inverse bell curve, as in moat are rated 1-3 or 8-10 with very few landing in the average range.

thats interesting re the inverse bell curve of womans rating hey .. I’ve seen the chart for it and yep that seems to be rhe case.

Re Clooney - I thought it was just common sense on him (lol) I mean his nickname . And he was the talk of the town for his looks back in his days on that hospital drama ‘ER’.

re your first point - rating men’s faces as another man is pretty easy.

There’s only a small few types /ratios of faces in the top tier. Every dude is just a variation on those small few types tbh.

generally the ‘squarer ‘ and more symmetrical the better and also pretty eyes are important .

examples of top tier would obvs be

Tall Dark & Handsomes;

‘Gorgeous’ GeorgeClooney,
Dr McDreamy - Patrick Dempsey
Richard Gere
David Ghandy (model)
Henry Cavill

Tall Blond & Handsome
Brad Pitt
Ryan Gosling

And then there is the wider alpha /hugh T type face and cranium , more like a caveman face w the prominent cheekbones

Jeremy Meeks
Lundberg


Super alphas (idk) ;
Jason Mamoa

So just a few main types tbh.

it’d be easier to show with face pics comparison .. but I don’t have the time atm to post em all.

 

[user2827]

thats interesting re the inverse bell curve of womans rating hey .. I’ve seen the chart for it and yep that seems to be rhe case.

Re Clooney - I thought it was just common sense on him (lol) I mean his nickname . And he was the talk of the town for his looks back in his days on that hospital drama ‘ER’.

re your first point - rating men’s faces as another man is pretty easy.

There’s only a small few types /ratios of faces in the top tier. Every dude is just a variation on those small few types tbh.

generally the ‘squarer ‘ and more symmetrical the better and also pretty eyes are important .

examples of top tier would obvs be

Tall Dark & Handsomes;

‘Gorgeous’ GeorgeClooney,
Dr McDreamy - Patrick Dempsey
Richard Gere
David Ghandy (model)
Henry Cavill

Tall Blond & Handsome
Brad Pitt
Ryan Gosling

And then there is the wider alpha /hugh T type face and cranium , more like a caveman face w the prominent cheekbones

Jeremy Meeks
Lundberg


Super alphas (idk) ;
Jason Mamoa

So just a few main types tbh.

it’d be easier to show with face pics comparison .. but I don’t have the time atm to post em all.

I get your point, but that's looking at guys who are clearly gifted in looks (although, some of them have aged poorly). So, outside of a contrast like Arnold and Devito in Twins, things get much fuzzier...

What I mean is that if you took 10 average guy photos and ranked them in order of looks, women would likely rank them differently, and more would probably have a lot of disagreement from women. If it was in person, the ratings would be skewed heavily by height, and other nuances.

My general thought on this is that women see it more in terms of a pass / fail (perhaps a pass+ also), and if a woman sees the guy as a pass, then it's more a matter of not screwing up.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I get your point, but that's looking at guys who are clearly gifted in looks (although, some of them have aged poorly). So, outside of a contrast like Arnold and Devito in Twins, things get much fuzzier...

What I mean is that if you took 10 average guy photos and ranked them in order of looks, women would likely rank them differently, and more would probably have a lot of disagreement from women. If it was in person, the ratings would be skewed heavily by height, and other nuances.

My general thought on this is that women see it more in terms of a pass / fail (perhaps a pass+ also), and if a woman sees the guy as a pass, then it's more a matter of not screwing up.

well… I get your last point moreso and the categories of

-pass +
-pass
-Fail

but faces can be rated by how much they match or stray from an ideal top tier face type.
And I think that’s what the whole rating system is about.
For both sexes.

there isn’t that much variance or surprises in the mid range is my stance on it.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Anyways, to cap off my side of the debate

here are the 2 main face types I think appeal the most the females

And these would be the ideal .

1.the super masculine face
squarer , High cheekboned, short nosed face -
IME, typically this is the face of a Fboy /Party Boy /BadBoy type guy….


2. The longer nosed face variant
iME - typically this is the face of a Seducer /LoverMan type guy…


Tbh I think most IRL Don Juans fall into these two face types .

Prove me wrong!

 

[UK manc]

Anyways, to cap off my side of the debate

here are the 2 main face types I think appeal the most the females

And these would be the ideal .

1.the super masculine face
squarer , High cheekboned, short nosed face -
IME, typically this is the face of a Fboy /Party Boy /BadBoy type guy ime)
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2. The longer nosed face variant
iME - typically this is the face of a Seducer /LoverMan type guy
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Tbh I think most IRL Don Juans fall into these two face types .

Prove me wrong!

I'm like the top two in card 1

 

[Cheeky_James]

I'm like the top two in card 1

I thought u might be actually…