Rate this guys face plz

[Bigpapa]

So my advice has always generally been to get as good looking as possible, then hit on lots of girls! The 'game' part is really about not having so much 'anti game' that you manage to screw it up with girls who want you

the issue is not that looks is big percentage of the equation, especially when it comes to the ceiling in quality you can get

the issue is that this guy is neurotic and super extreme in what he is saying, basically saying that you are either elite levels in looks and get laid either not and you do not get laid at all. Which is BS!

only the idea that you need to be a 10/10 guy to have a chance with a 5/10 is extreme, just as the pua guys parroting that looks does not matter at all and you can be a 5/10 yourself and bang 10/10 left and right

same as when it comes to height, that if you are not X height you are doomed and have no chance whatsoever. Seen plenty of cases where the girls were slightly or even significantly taller than the guy ( with no heels )

 

[Cheeky_James]

the issue is not that looks is big percentage of the equation, especially when it comes to the ceiling in quality you can get

the issue is that this guy is neurotic and super extreme in what he is saying, basically saying that you are either elite levels in looks and get laid either not and you do not get laid at all. Which is BS!

only the idea that you need to be a 10/10 guy to have a chance with a 5/10 is extreme, just as the pua guys parroting that looks does not matter at all and you can be a 5/10 yourself and bang 10/10 left and right

no dude.
That wasn’t my intention.
My OP stated these guys are TOP TIER (9, 10) dudes.
As I saw someone rate Turner as a 7 (!) lol. Absolutely laughable that rating.
That was you actually if I recall.

It was just a reality check as it seems up guys don’t understand the gap between your own personal SMV and a guy like these 3.

this is what guys seem to do
Overrate themselves
Underrate other guys

to try close the gap in their mind and cope.

I never said guys going down the scale of smv from 8,7,6,5,4 etc guys CANT get women. I never said that. Or only 10 guys can get 5 women (you made that jump)

What I at am saying is that a guys Looks /Face is the Paramount, Primary factor in why a woman picks a man.
It’s 90% of how any man gets any woman . All the way down the scale probably down to the midrange idk , where personality is possibly a ‘swing factor’. Possibly. The ‘just be first’ theory in there also. Meeting as teenagers and LTR forever etc.

Leaving aside Money and Status out of the above.

I’m saying that Callum Turner is Top Tier
And even stripping away his money and status
He would still looks match with a woman that looks similar to Dua Lipa. Get that?

also importantly as this is a forum where ‘Don Juan’is a label (and a big part of the discussion, or so I thought coming here)
I thought I’d point out the very big correlation between any dude who is an acfual Don Juan as having great Looks. Handsome- to-very Hansome Face.

and that his “skill” at pickup = mainly, his FACE like it’s pretty much (rounded up ) 100% his Looks.

so that means the “skill” of the Don Juan is not actually ‘learnable ‘ for guys with less face , average face or ugly faces

does that compute?

 

[BeExcellent]

@BeExcellent
What about gorgeous George
Is he your cup of tea

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I do find George Clooney handsome/sexy. He also is known to be quite charming & intelligent and is a well known prankster (sense of humor & fun). His looks are fading now but his other attributes make him quite attractive. I greatly dislike his politics, but that is another matter.

I find Craig Ferguson attractive. I also think he is quirky and funny.

Again. More than just looks factor in.

Interestingly I never found Leo DiCaprio particularly attractive, ditto Brad Pitt, they always looked like baby faced boys to me BUT Brad Pitt is much more handsome now as an older man than he ever was as a younger guy.

People can have similar features but look very different.

Attraction happens at an individual level. So generalizations don't capture the nuances.

Its like art. Some people go wild for Picasso. Some people go wild for Joan Miro or Salvador Dali or Van Gogh or Renoir or Charles Russell or Rembradt. But people have differing taste in all things that involve subjective preferences. Art, fashion, music, human appearance.

You continue to take a very absolutist view. You are not the arbiter of what appeals to me (or anyone else) as an individual. Each individual gets to decide that for him or herself.

Are there general trends? Sure. But those general trends do not capture nuance. They cannot.

Looks are NOT 90% of how a sensible sought after woman chooses. Not at all. In fact, for a woman who lots of handsome guys want? Well 100% of her choices are very good looking. It is a given. She chooses based on other things aside from looks.

Looks only get you access. Who you are beyond looks is what makes you stand out.

Now. If a girl isn't hot enough that all her choices are good looking? Then perhaps appearance is more a factor. But for beautiful women who have tons of handsome men to choose from? Looks are a requirement to get an opportunity, but not why she chooses a particular man.

Dadynamically used to talk about that constantly around here. He understood that very well.

 

[sevbucmash]

I see plastic surgery all over that face. Ear lobes and ear to eye line tells the tale, though. He did a nose job to remove the hump. The guy did other plastic surgery on his face. Face is made to look good. I think it's a solid 7, not 8, not 7 and then some, and not 6 or less. 7.

The guy is tiny hat thought, imagine him with nose and without other facial plastic surgery.

 

[sevbucmash]

In terms of crowd, I'd say this guy is Fontainebleau material, not quite Faena or Setai or Baca Raton Resort. Someone who'd show off, rent, and ****, instead of someone who moves and carries power.

 

[MatureDJ]

correct. Yes I am.

seriously dude, I’ve given you guys a photo of a dudes face. It’s clear his face proportions and ratios. His cranio facials. His jawline, his hair and hairline. His skull shape , his nose .his smile and his teeth (ffs) it’s all fvcking right there dude.

And you fellas (of course )will still manage to nitpick about BS and try deflect (“I can’t it’s a B&W photo bro” LMFAO)

Eyes like Raul Julia the actor..
He’s a Latin guy and has those dark ringed ‘sexy’ eyes imo.
Very very much like this look here.
Just give me your rating and opinions on his face and handsomeness etc. it’s a pretty simple question to ask on a pickup forum I would have thought.

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He seemed to be a good bit more handsome as Franco in "The Gumball Rally".

 

[MatureDJ]

George Cloony is not a 10 face, he's a 10 vibe

He does seem to shoot above his weight.

 

[UK manc]

Very true this. A decent body after 40 is better status then money house or car IMO

Fortunately I've all four.

 

[Jor-El]

Fortunately I've all four.

Good for you mate..iv got 3/4! Working on the money one

 

[characternote]

rate:

 

[Cheeky_James]

@characternote

rating = hot

 

[Divorced w 3]

This forum is turning into a gay bathhouse

 

[sevbucmash]

rating = hot

Honestly, rating don't mean much. Most people rate the default 5 stars. Most don't bother rating at all. It's when they leave tips, that's hot!

 

[Cheeky_James]

I do find George Clooney handsome/sexy.

{ edited - but lists Brad Pitt and DiCaprio as baby faced/nit BEs type}

Looks are NOT 90% of how a sensible sought after woman chooses. Not at all. In fact, for a woman who lots of handsome guys want? Well 100% of her choices are very good looking. It is a given. She chooses based on other things aside from looks.

Looks only get you access. Who you are beyond looks is what makes you stand out.

well rhanks for agreeing with me once again BE!!
In the bolded part above.
You are missing my point somehow.
It’s all about Generic Fitness - to ‘get in’ there in the first place. So by logical extension there ARE leagues and tiers to everything . **Obviously**

Fit , good looking females want fit good looking men .
Hot Chicks want Hot dudes.
And personality will not ‘swing it ‘ for a lesser looking dude chatting up a chick above his SMV.

which hot dude a woman picks form in her Top Tier list is irrelevant to my point.

but glad you brought up Sense Of Humour.
My other thread about personality went for pages . And not one single ‘Don Juan’ that chipped in on that thread mentioned Sense Of Humour..(!!!)

GSOH is massive !
As it’s an indicator of ‘fit brain’ = IQ level.



Some ‘experts’ on here I tells ya.

as for DiCaprio and Pitt.
Again this is funny.. as for every 1x ‘no thanks’ they will get from one particular women.. there will be 100,000x ‘ooo hot! yes please’ ‘s. That’s what I mean by the mass consensus.

this is just blondes vs brunettes preference.
Same with Ryan Gosling, or Ryan Philippe or whatever male blondie sex symbol.

and as if, you as a 60yo woman would say NO to ANY of those guys !! Lmfao

sorry to tell you… but Gorgeous George would not fart in your general direction IRL babe… haha

 

[Cheeky_James]

Anyways moving along

I was thinking about my lil Brazilian buddies face and it’s more towards this guy below than Clooney-Lite. ( he had a bit of that too tho)

Rocco Siffredi the porno star
Infact he was almost Identical in the face and eyes to this guy.


The devil eyes / sex Dom eyes.
Kinda ‘dark ringed’ aleep deprived eyes.

made me muse on other guys that have similar face and also known to have a big D1ck.

Pete Davidson and Nacho Vidal.


And wonder if woman scan for such a face IRL and those dark ringed eyes.

And also - Big Chin. (High T)

this combination of features .

And recognise that such a face = Big C0ck??

And the dark eye rings .. cos the guy shags all the time ??

It is possible.
As women are detectives.
And they always draw conclusions re this anyways. from a guys walk and if he has swagger when he walks . And general body language cues such as this.
they check out the lunchbox are of dudes jeans /pants too. Have a peek and see for a bulge.

Trust and believe !!

Another Pet Theory of mine for ya’ll
I reckon they do.

I’m sure this one will go down as well as the others now..

 

[BeExcellent]

Sigh. None of those guys are attractive at all in my book. Ick.

What I have said is that looks are irrelevant if ALL options are good looking.

Now let's explain something. A woman who is an 8-10 in attractiveness is going to attract somewhere between 80-100% of all men, right? But all but the very best looking are totally invisible to her.

However, that only gets the very good looking men who she considers as viable options a ticket to the dance. Nothing more. These men are visible because the looks qualify for admission.

From there, looks do not matter. Other qualities independent of looks matter. You are a dense individual indeed not to grasp this.

The hottest women have the highest currency in the dating market pal. But even for the hottest women, the most sought after men in the world require MORE than just beauty. You gotta have brains, charm, character, social graces. Examples include Amal Clooney and Melania Trump, each of whom, incidentally turned down their now husbands initially. So these most sought after men, they had to make an effort dear.

You see the most desirable women know their value. So they get to decide. George Clooney and DJT both were persistent in pursuit of their wives. And married them (locked them down.)

Water seeks its own level my friend. Everybody knows that. Most couples are pretty closely matched looks wise. That is the efficiency in the marketplace.

Wanna know how attractive you are in an objective sense? Look at who is naturally attracted to you.

I married a very affable, charming 7.5 the first time I married. He used to always say "I outkicked my coverage" because people thought I was too pretty for him. But he had other attributes and qualities that were more important than just looks, including being very sexy. I dropped the professional male model for him, (who was more handsome but less sexy) and I had been in a 5 yr LTR before that with a man who was better looking than the model, but after 5 years I left that relationship (he had proposed and I wouldn't marry him)....he wouldn't let anyone get close enough to really know him & after a while I found it a charade and moved on.....his own mother thought he was foolish not to lock me down, but I digress...

The second time I married I married a solid 9. Who also happens to be very smart, ambitious, funny & quirky (introverted software guy on the spectrum) and we compliment one another very well, and he needs me (for my social adroitness) much more than I need him. I was not planning to marry a second time, but my husband was pretty convincing.

Looks are only one part of what makes a potential partner attractive, and over time other things besides looks are MUCH more important. Things like character, having your life together, intelligence, charm, sense of humor, etc.

We all get accustomed to appearance. And I say that knowing full well that it is imperative to keep one's appearance on point, it is terribly unattractive to let oneself go physically, and keeping up requires greater discipline and healthy habits as you age.

Water seeks its own level. Of course the pretty people choose each other. That's the landscape pretty people inhabit. Duh.

Just like 5s usually end up with 5s and so on. Not rocket science.

But pairing off choices are made considering other things besides looks. My husband has had women who were hotter than me, he's had women who were freakier.

But he's never had a woman who was better.

Think about that.

He pursued me because he was attracted first to my looks and sex appeal, then he got to know me and who I am as a person upped the attraction because I'm a "total package" girl, and he'd never experiened that before.

So go see what women ARE attracted to you. Not women you have to "sell" somehow, but women who are attracted without all that. And that will tell you where you rank.

A thoroughbred is not the same thing as a Clydesdale, is not the same thing as a Shetland pony, Looks simply stratify based on equinimity. Once you are in your strata, looks no longer make a big difference so its about everything else.