how daft are girls? i mean, do they seriously believe that you just want to be their friend? do they really think it is more fun hanging out with them than with the guys? wake up girls! you're bugging me. sorry for the rant...
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
rant on girls as friends...
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
RabidDog
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It always makes me laugh when girls think we want them for a friend. They fall for it every time! I have enough bro's w/out trieng to have girl "friends". Guys always get ideas about a girl unless their ghey or castrated. 
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honeyshark
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YES. They do. I suppose it is preferable to a girl to have a mindset that everyone is friendly versus the reality that everyone wants to sleep with her.
Peace.
Girls are able to be friends with a guy and not want to have sex with them. In most cases, if a guy wants to "be friends" with a girl it's because he wants to have sex with her. Males and females are totally different in this way. So, no, girls aren't "daft", guys are just not being honest about their intentions. Since females don't think like males do, and are not mind readers, guys have to stop pretending to be friends when they really want to have sex with a girl.
You need to look at this from the position the girl is in. Since she is fully capable of having guy friends without having any sexual interest in them, she's not going to assume that you want aything more than friendship. Pretending to be a friend when you aren't really looking for friendship is basically lying. Don't do it. If you are interested in a girl, then act like it and don't get mad if you don't let her know you like her and she doesn't catch on. She really does have the ability to want to be your friend without wanting to have sex with you.
it's not bad at all to havea few female friends.
dont forget they havel ots of HB friends they can hook u up with.
plus if u get on their good side. she can talk or mention you to her friends that might intrigue them more. and make you instantly interesting in their eyes that they'd wanna meet u.
dont forget they havel ots of HB friends they can hook u up with.
plus if u get on their good side. she can talk or mention you to her friends that might intrigue them more. and make you instantly interesting in their eyes that they'd wanna meet u.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
WestCoaster
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How come they always say ...
... I dated or married my best friend? Really?!! I find that extremely hard to believe. I have a lot of friends, some girls, but there's definitely a difference between gals I want to date and gals I want as friends. I've rarely -- if ever -- seen these "friendships" evolve into marriage.
Some gal got on this board last week saying she's dating her best friend.
B.S.
Look, if you're my best friend I doubt you'll put up with me yelling at the TV during the NCAA basketball tourney, while eating sh-t food, and calling up my other (real) friends to talk about the tourney and the hotties I saw at work today. My best friends do that, would you?
Hmm, I highly doubt it.
No, you're dating or you married a guy who lit a spark for you. He wasn't your best friend, he's a guy you grew to trust.
... I dated or married my best friend? Really?!! I find that extremely hard to believe. I have a lot of friends, some girls, but there's definitely a difference between gals I want to date and gals I want as friends. I've rarely -- if ever -- seen these "friendships" evolve into marriage.
Some gal got on this board last week saying she's dating her best friend.
B.S.
Look, if you're my best friend I doubt you'll put up with me yelling at the TV during the NCAA basketball tourney, while eating sh-t food, and calling up my other (real) friends to talk about the tourney and the hotties I saw at work today. My best friends do that, would you?
Hmm, I highly doubt it.
No, you're dating or you married a guy who lit a spark for you. He wasn't your best friend, he's a guy you grew to trust.
Re: How come they always say ...
Well, it can happen. But, you need a friendship on some level for a relationship to work. If your not best or at least good friends before a romantic relationship, then usually you end up being best friends as well as lovers. That's what I have observed from seeing heathy relationships.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
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I would agree SDB ...
... I just don't see it happening, though I hear about it a lot.
Frankly, I would love to see a great friendship evolve into a love relationship, but with a little more spark.
I greatly enjoy deep friendships and I have a lot of them. I enjoy the trust, honesty, humor, and commitment of all of them.
It just appears there's a line in this country between friendship and romantic love.
... I just don't see it happening, though I hear about it a lot.
Frankly, I would love to see a great friendship evolve into a love relationship, but with a little more spark.
I greatly enjoy deep friendships and I have a lot of them. I enjoy the trust, honesty, humor, and commitment of all of them.
It just appears there's a line in this country between friendship and romantic love.
I suppose that is true for most guys, but us Nice Guys are a little different. I myself have been friends with plenty of women. There were some cases where I could have been more then friends, but that was back when I was going through a depression stage and was filled with self hatered.
Agree with Westcosaster...
Married to our best friend? Ridiculous!
You are married to your lover. Lovers and friends are two different animals.
I would not want to be married to my best friend... why would anybody want that? If you divorce, no more best friend......
Dietzcoi
Married to our best friend? Ridiculous!
You are married to your lover. Lovers and friends are two different animals.
I would not want to be married to my best friend... why would anybody want that? If you divorce, no more best friend......
Dietzcoi
It's not ridiculous at all. Women do develop feelings for men they have considered friends. It happens all the time. Just because guys like to only pretend you are their friend doesn't mean the woman is pretending. The woman just also happens to be attracted to the guy she was friends with and one of them let the other know they wanted more.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Actually, most women never even think about it. Christ, we aren't mind readers and what guys consider as being "obvious" signs of interest usually aren't even noticed by most girls and women. I was in my 30's before I realized that men who act like a friend to a woman probablly just wants to get in her pants. Guys have a tendency to misunderstand women mostly because they think women think the same way they do and that's just not the case most of the time. There are a few women who think like men, but most don't. We don't equate every male-female interaction we have in a sexual way like men tend to do. For instance, if we strike up a conversation with a guy we aren't thinking to ourselves about whether or not we'd like to have sex with him or wonder what he looks like naked. We aren't sizing up his crotch like men do with womens' breasts. The thinking is on an entirely different wavelength. If you try to figure out what a girl or woman is thinking or how she's seeing things the absolute worst way to do it is to view what she does through the eyes of a male. You'll get it all arse-backwards if you do that.
Bottom line...if you want to date a girl then don't lead her to believe you just want to be her pal. If you are interested in her then just tell her. If she's attracted to you and you tell her you are interested it's most likely going to incite her to at least consider looking at you in a sexual way. That's the big difference with women. We don't automatically look at every guy we meet and sort them into the "datable" and "undatable" categories like men typically do when they meet women. Someone usually has to put the idea in our heads and THEN we think about whether or not we'd be interested. If guys could just learn to understand this much about women it would save everyone loads of time, trouble and aggravation.