Raising a woman's IL vs raising one's own SMV?

[Steel_Neurons]

Anti-Dump and Interest Level

If you asked Anti-Dump, “What ought I to do to please the women?” he would reply:

“What! Please the women? Stop looking from the perspective of the woman and start looking at
what pleases YOU.”

This is where most guys get Anti-Dump wrong. These guys (Speed Seductionists, etc.) keep
trying to CREATE romantic interest. “I will give the women a chance to get to know me.” Anti-
Dump isn’t interested in CREATING interest because it has to already be there. This confuses
many.

Let us say a cool guy uses Anti-Dump’s Machine. He finds a girl that loves him. Now let us say
a bum on the street uses Anti-Dump’s Machine. He finds no girl that loves him.

“See! See! His Machine doesn’t work!”

Fools! You are placing the success on obtaining women, not on obtaining INTERESTED
women. It is not a black and white world of “Success = Having Women” and “Failure = Staying
Single.” No, it is “Success= Not being attached to UNINTERESTED women.” and “Failure =
Being attached to an UNINTERESTED women.” Being in an unhappy marriage is worse than being single.

In both the cool guy and the bum’s examples, Anti-Dump’s Machine worked. The Machine is
not to get you a woman, its purpose is to WEED OUT uninterested women. If you are the street
bum, no women will be interested in you. The machine is not the failure, the man is.

Now if the street bum recreated himself and became Cool Guy, the machine will throw up an
interested women eventually.

It is that simple.

I remember reading Mark Manson the other year and he was talking about three types of women: women that will never be into you, women that will 'always' be into you and ones on the fence. IIRC, his general premise was that 'game' comes into play for the ones on the fence to push them into liking you, i.e. raising their IL.

AD's approach seems to be more about working on yourself, i.e. raising your own SMV to automatically create high IL from women rather than doing anything to them in particular. If there is any 'game' involved, it seems to be more to do with not ****ing things up, i.e. lowering high IL, rather than raising average IL through 'game'.

I'm aware AD's machine is just for LTR/wife and that Mark Manson did advocate working on yourself as well. However, I'd appreciate some input on people's take on 'gaming' women vs raising one's own SMV in three main situations (ONS/fling; dating/plates; LTR or long term lovers) and what kind of results you've achieved from that approach.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Ill throw a tidbit out there. Maybe gain IL from other members of her group. Dont waste time on uninterested chicks.

 

[Steel_Neurons]

Thanks. Definitely agree with the last sentence. Can you expand on "Maybe gain IL from other members of her group" a little?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Thanks. Definitely agree with the last sentence. Can you expand on "Maybe gain IL from other members of her group" a little?

Flirt with spend time with them. Have her group see you successful out with other chicks. Targeting a female of low desire is a sure fire way to kill your swag. Be desired by MORE women. Have deeper social penetration.

 

[Steel_Neurons]

So you think AD was a little bit too idealistic? You think that while we should be working on ourselves as men to raise our SMV, we should still be socialising in ways that raise a woman's IL and not automatically expect high IL straight away?

 

[greatsnake]

I gotta say that it first starts with you. As soon as you increase your confidence, self esteem (increase Smv), women will sense that and your game will become much easier.

 

[Steel_Neurons]

Thanks. To be honest I prefer working on raising my own SMV rather than doing 'game'. I always found game a bit artificial. Then again, I'm not getting the results I want, which is why I came here to educate myself.

 

[Cckybold]

Raising own SMV is important who care abt women IL ..It will come naturally..

 

[cola]

Why even waste time with women on the fence?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Why even waste time with women on the fence?

Exactly. When they see you fvcking other bishes some will "step over" as Player Supreme said.

They love "preselected" men.

 

[Steel_Neurons]

Why even waste time with women on the fence?

Yeah, it's pointless. I guess people might do it because of a lack of options? It's probably why I did it in the past.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yeah, it's pointless. I guess people might do it because of a lack of options? It's probably why I did it in the past.

Cause you didnt know any better. All options does is show a man that there are women willing do do what he desires and others who will waste his time.

 

[Steel_Neurons]

Exactly. When they see you fvcking other bishes some will "step over" as Player Supreme said.

They love "preselected" men.

Hmm ... I have a feeling I'm not understanding some of these concepts I'm using properly. To me this is more like game rather than working on raising your SMV (which to me would be more like weights, grooming, career, hobbies, etc.). Looks like I'll have to do some more reading/thinking.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Hmm ... I have a feeling I'm not understanding some of these concepts I'm using properly. To me this is more like game rather than working on raising your SMV (which to me would be more like weights, grooming, career, hobbies, etc.). Looks like I'll have to do some more reading/thinking.

Part of your value is social and with other women.

 

[Steel_Neurons]

Part of your value is social and with other women.

That's very interesting. This is something I need to explore more and work on. I've never really paid much attention to this aspect before.

 

[Spaz]

Personally I've never gone out of my way to increase a woman's IL.

It has always been women subtly/covertly initiating and me following up if I'm interested - this is where the game begins.