"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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So I met this girl on a meetup event,and sent her a message after through the app saying that we should go out the week after since she was staying in a hostel very close to my place. She replied the day after agreeing to this, so next I setup a concrete date, time and place for a couple of days later. She says she cant that day, but made a counteroffer for the next one, wednesday. I said OK, no problem. The same happened on the wednesday, she said something came up and asked to meet up on thursday. Again, I agreed.

Obviously since I know a bit about the nature of girls in general, I suggested a place really close to me just in case she flaked. And guess what, not only did she flake but she didnt even send a message saying she couldnt or anything of the sort.

Now, I know this isnt exactly nothing new, but how usually does this happen to you as well? Is this disrespectul behaviour a normal ocurrence?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Within these past 3 weeks I had two girls.

Girl one - texted one night. Suggested a meet up I couldn't and she ghosted on my attempted reschedule (deleted text thread).

Later that week I get a hey and banged her.

Girl two - literally same deal but actually flaked on an arranged meet up I said "you ready?" Nothing.

later that week SAME thing and smashed it.

I'm noticing a pattern.
So no it's not possible and this back to back scenario has me thinking these were screens, I confirmed I wasn't a weirdo.
 
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You never accept a counter offer for 24 hours later. You should have countered her counter offer with a different day, to exercise backbone.

Sorry, pal. She nexted you for being weak.
 
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MrOctober said:
Within these past 3 weeks I had two girls.

Girl one - texted one night. Suggested a meet up I couldn't and she ghosted on my attempted reschedule (deleted text thread).

Later that week I get a hey and banged her.

Girl two - literally same deal but actually flaked on an arranged meet up I said "you ready?" Nothing.

later that week SAME thing and smashed it.

I'm noticing a pattern.
So no it's not possible and this back to back scenario has me thinking these were screens, I confirmed I wasn't a weirdo.
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Just because you banged, doesn't mean she respects you. Her #1 option could have flaked, or she could be screwing to spite another guy.

If a woman flakes, she's out. Low interest and disrespect. No exceptions.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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EyeBRollin said:
Just because you banged, doesn't mean she respects you. Her #1 option could have flaked, or she could be screwing to spite another guy.

If a woman flakes, she's out. Low interest and disrespect. No exceptions.
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I agree and this idea should be promoted here.

Neither one I've communicated with since. Sure I'll hear from one. I sit back. I field.

But respect is the foundation of any true dating / rs / fb dynamic couldn't agree more.
 
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EyeBRollin said:
You never accept a counter offer for 24 hours later. You should have countered her counter offer with a different day, to exercise backbone.

Sorry, pal. She nexted you for being weak.
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Lesson learned.
 
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MrOctober said:
Within these past 3 weeks I had two girls.

Girl one - texted one night. Suggested a meet up I couldn't and she ghosted on my attempted reschedule (deleted text thread).

Later that week I get a hey and banged her.
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How often does this really happen?
 
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Juanto said:
So I met this girl on a meetup event,and sent her a message after through the app saying that we should go out the week after since she was staying in a hostel very close to my place. She replied the day after agreeing to this, so next I setup a concrete date, time and place for a couple of days later. She says she cant that day, but made a counteroffer for the next one, wednesday. I said OK, no problem. The same happened on the wednesday, she said something came up and asked to meet up on thursday. Again, I agreed.

Obviously since I know a bit about the nature of girls in general, I suggested a place really close to me just in case she flaked. And guess what, not only did she flake but she didnt even send a message saying she couldnt or anything of the sort.

Now, I know this isnt exactly nothing new, but how usually does this happen to you as well? Is this disrespectul behaviour a normal ocurrence?
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When a girl counter offers sometimes it is good to let them know you are busy and you have options.

Saying yes to both of her counter offers told her you had no other plans that week and you were sitting by waiting for her.

Next time if a chick counter offers then cancels again and counteroffers a 2nd time you should be busy and tell her that doesn't work for me and i will talk to you later.
 
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Next time if a chick counter offers then cancels again and counteroffers a 2nd time you should be busy and tell her that doesn't work for me and i will talk to you later.
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Yes, I think I dropped the ball on this detail
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Juanto said:
How often does this really happen?
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Not often lol. Take they're advice. It was just ironic.

You can give her two strikes but really only if you know she's attracted and you'll get at the least the results I got. That's my opinion.

But a girl on the fence take they're advice.
 
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