Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
Good post. Based on what I've seen , the #1 AFC trait of all is making an effort not to ruffle her feathers. Fear of confrontation. Excessive agreeability. All part of supplication.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Really it's not. Think about it. Those who are aware they have options, who don't embrace the scarcity mentality, don't fall into the unhealthy mental schemas we've described that define the AFC's paradigm.Rollo Tomassi said:However the question remains; is ONEitis mutually exclusive from being an AFC?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=100097Victory Unlimited said:I'd like to hear an answer to Bobfuest's question:
"What about love?"
Is it an AFC quality? What are some you guys' take on this?
Discuss.
Metaphysical love = "the life force" - It involves the spiritual and philosophical aspects of life. The energy that drives us to seek a mate for replication, biomechanics aside. Why do we have the desire to reproduce? Why to we seek to answer the unanswerable? That's metaphysical love, and it's a highly debatable subject.Hawke said:RedPill, what in your belief is the metaphysical idea of love? And the romantic?
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Let me clarify something here:Vulpine said:How about the fact that AFC's will argue that they don't display any chumpish behaviors. They'll deny their AFCisms and cite "I get women" as if it would discount any AFC claim. Even after having all the info right in front of them in B&W, they'll not believe that they've been suckers/chumps. Therefore, they won't start the process of betterment and recovery - hopelessly destined to remain AFC's until they admit their problem and start learning from their mistakes.
Denial.
In fact, shame on us DJ's for celebrating ourselves over women - "women are god's gift to men".
Also, an AFC bases his happiness on women. An AFC is miserable when women aren't in his life. He feels that he is a failure if there isn't presently a woman attracted to him. A non-AFC would know women can only enhance one's happiness. Should these women start to detract from a non-AFC's happiness, the woman goes "buh-bye" whereas an AFC would fight to keep the woman in his life - unknowingly making the AFC even more miserable than he would've been without.
AFC: women = basis/measure of personal happiness
Apparently, some thought that this was coming from ME. No, an AFC would look at a DJ with disdain for celebrating themself before women. Women are NOT God's gift to men. In fact in the bible, isn't it that Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs? Literally, that would mean that: women actually are a "pain in the side" for men, or, women take away from the "completeness" of men.Vulpine said:In fact, shame on us DJ's for celebrating ourselves over women - "women are god's gift to men".
You simply become "scarce"...and by becoming "scarce" (or doing "nothing")...you are actually doing something. Because it takes a LOT of effort to do that under the conditions you described.azanon said:Lots of words of wisdom here; what a great group of guys that participate in this forum.
The thing i have to keep working on is that I have issues "fighting" some AFC tendencies (rAFC type struggles) when i'm losing the power struggle. Does that make sense, and has it ever been discussed? What i mean is, lets say i'm spinning plates with 4 women. With 3 of them, I may be winning the power struggle (meaning their interest level is higher than mine), so acting in a DJ manner comes easily for me because i know i can afford to make mistakes or be brazen without repercussion.
But when i'm losing the power struggle, but its someone I dont want to walk away from, i find myself having to actively analize my next move, which is practically AFCish in its very nature, and perhaps in doing so, I just make the situation worse. I think its because I have a hard time accepting that i cant win them all, so instead of just walking away, I start making poor moves that you might very will find in RT's initial itemized list. Perhaps the problem often is that i'm simply doing something else to "fix" this, when I should just opt for just doing nothing. But doing nothing just feels so weak to me, that its hard for me to accept that it very well could be the right move.
Azanon
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
AZANON, as most of the regular posters on this forum already know, you've been spinning the same plate since you were 21 (and probably before then). Pardon my confusion, but are you changing your story with this or are you being hypothetical here? Because, for a guy married for 15 years, your concerns seem kind of irrelevant.azanon said:What i mean is, lets say i'm spinning plates with 4 women. With 3 of them, I may be winning the power struggle (meaning their interest level is higher than mine), so acting in a DJ manner comes easily for me because i know i can afford to make mistakes or be brazen without repercussion.
But when i'm losing the power struggle, but its someone I dont want to walk away from, i find myself having to actively analize my next move, which is practically AFCish in its very nature, and perhaps in doing so, I just make the situation worse. I think its because I have a hard time accepting that i cant win them all, so instead of just walking away, I start making poor moves that you might very will find in RT's initial itemized list.
There you go with those assumptions again. I haven't said anything untrue yet on these forums. The problem you keep consistently making with me RT, is assuming. I said i'm married. I said I love my wife. I said she's hot.Rollo Tomassi said:AZANON, as most of the regular posters on this forum already know, you've been spinning the same plate since you were 21 (and probably before then). Pardon my confusion, but are you changing your story with this or are you being hypothetical here? Because, for a guy married for 15 years, your concerns seem kind of irrelevant.