"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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POLL: How many HB9s have you slept with on multiple occassions?

How many HB9s have you slept with more than once? (fwb, g/f, plate, ...)

  • 0

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • 1

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • 3-5

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • 6-10

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • 11-20

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • 21-40

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 41+

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16
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I don't agree with that at all, never liked blondes, prefer brunettes.
Margot is a beautiful woman but prime Selma Hayek blows her off the map for me.

It is subjective, to try to deny this is going against human nature.
Was literally just thinking of Selma! My last gf was like Selma if you ordered from Wish But actually not that much worse!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Might be tough to find universal agreement. For example, even though white women are the beauty standard, there are still plenty of men with little attraction to them.
 

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Might be tough to find universal agreement. For example, even though white women are the beauty standard, there are still plenty of men with little attraction to them.
You don’t have to be attracted to someone to rate them. None of us are attracted to men but you still know a Chad when you see him.
 

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My ratings closely match those of Wheat Waffles, although he claims HB8, HB9 and HB10 have no meaningful differences.
I didn't know he said that. I have to agree with him.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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You don’t have to be attracted to someone to rate them. None of us are attracted to men but you still know a Chad when you see him.
Sometimes I can tell and sometimes I can't. Sometimes it just doesn't even occur to me. A couple of times I've been mystified that certain celebrities were said to be attractive and I was surprised, but I was informed they were really hot - Colin Jost and Seth McFarlane. I never would have known.
 

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Pics or it didn’t happen.

I rarely see higher than 7 in everyday life. 9s are movie stars, models, and pageant queens. Most of y’all are capping. They were 7s at best.
I don't get why people think celebrities and such are higher on the scale. I've seen women as hot as your A-lister (e.g. Margot Robbie) walking around on the street. Now sleeping with her, that's different. But they are out there to approach. And pageant queens? Please.

Anyway usually it's women that are attracted to celebs. For men, this is meaningless, other than having a neat story to tell if you nail one.
 

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I don't get why people think celebrities and such are higher on the scale. I've seen women as hot as your A-lister (e.g. Margot Robbie) walking around on the street. Now sleeping with her, that's different. But they are out there to approach. And pageant queens? Please.
We think they are higher on the scale because they are higher on the scale. I work in NYC; unless you live in SoCal, I find it hard to believe where you are has HB8+ just walking around everywhere. I’ve seen but a handful of HB9s in real life, and only in places such as Las Vegas, Miami, and Los Angeles. Those women are by definition extremely rare.

A woman’s beauty is her currency. It is her door to opportunities. Average and even “cute” girls do not end up in magazines, winning pageants, or starring in movies. Peak Margot Robbie is indeed elite tier, hotter than 100% of the women you have ever talked to in your life.
 

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I don't agree with that at all, never liked blondes, prefer brunettes.
Margot is a beautiful woman but prime Selma Hayek blows her off the map for me.

It is subjective, to try to deny this is going against human nature.
Agree.

Though I think of Margot as more "cute hot," so I do like her. She doesn't have that weird vapid cover girl look, usually has a smile on her face which is sexy to me.
 

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We think they are higher on the scale because they are higher on the scale. I work in NYC; unless you live in SoCal, I find it hard to believe where you are has HB8+ just walking around everywhere. I’ve seen but a handful of HB9s in real life, and only in places such as Las Vegas, Miami, and Los Angeles. Those women are by definition extremely rare.

A woman’s beauty is her currency. It is her door to opportunities. Average and even “cute” girls do not end up in magazines, winning pageants, or starring in movies. Margot Robbie is indeed elite tier, hotter than 100% of the women you have ever talked to in your life.
Disagree.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Disagree.
You are looking at this from your own lens. There are chicks you may personally find more attractive, however the consensus of the general population and where she is in life disagrees.

If you know a broad that is over 27, never been married, never dated a wealthy guy, or never gotten a modeling contract, there is a strong probability she really just isn’t as attractive as you think she is.
 

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You are looking at this from your own lens. There are chicks you may personally find more attractive, however the consensus of the general population and where she is in life disagrees.
This is contradictory IMO. Everyone has their own lens. Therefore there is no 'consensus.' I'm not going to pursue a girl because other people her attractive. Only boner that matters is my own.

We can see this with beauty pageants. The judges vote and someone wins. It doesn't make it objective, and if a judge voted for a non-winner, doesn't mean that will change his mind. So 51% can be for one and 49% for the others. Or a plurality - less than 50% since there are many finalists. I guess you can call that a consensus since it was put to a vote, but it's still a variety of opinion. Subjective.
 

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Visual Analogue Circlejerk
 

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This is contradictory IMO. Everyone has their own lens. Therefore there is no 'consensus.' I'm not going to pursue a girl because other people her attractive. Only boner that matters is my own.

We can see this with beauty pageants. The judges vote and someone wins. It doesn't make it objective, and if a judge voted for a non-winner, doesn't mean that will change his mind. So 51% can be for one and 49% for the others. Or a plurality - less than 50% since there are many finalists. I guess you can call that a consensus since it was put to a vote, but it's still a variety of opinion. Subjective.
No contradiction here - you just confirmed my point. In a pageant, you can fancy candidate A based on personal taste, but the panel of judges vote and B wins. That actually means B > A.

Now apply that to real life. You may bang a girl that you consider a 9. Great. However, she is 29 years old, has never been married, has never even dated a high status man, has no modeling or acting contracts. These facts about her are a better overall reflection of her true SMV. She may be a 9 to you, but not others. There’s nothing wrong with dating this girl, she’s just not actually a 9.
 

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You don’t have to be attracted to someone to rate them. None of us are attracted to men but you still know a Chad when you see him.
Exactly. Chads generally have certain features in common that I don’t need to list here. It’s pretty easy to pick up on the pattern even as a straight guy.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Millard Fillmore

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No contradiction here - you just confirmed my point. In a pageant, you can fancy candidate A based on personal taste, but the panel of judges vote and B wins. That actually means B > A.

Now apply that to real life. You may bang a girl that you consider a 9. Great. However, she is 29 years old, has never been married, has never even dated a high status man, has no modeling or acting contracts. These facts about her are a better overall reflection of her true SMV. She may be a 9 to you, but not others. There’s nothing wrong with dating this girl, she’s just not actually a 9.
I see your point but we disagree.
 

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Margot Robbie is a max a 8, I've been with girls wayyyy hotter than her. She is hot, but elite tier? nah. I worked as a fashion photographer in Moscow Russia, you have no idea what I've seen there.
8/9 is splitting hairs. She’s going to be in the 95+ percentile in the West.
 

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Margot Robbie is a max a 8, I've been with girls wayyyy hotter than her. She is hot, but elite tier? nah. I worked as a fashion photographer in Moscow Russia, you have no idea what I've seen there.
I've worked with celebrities in the past (not her though). Once you see women like this in person, you see they are as "elite" as the next pretty face. But again: we all see reality subjectively. On a macro level it's still just a collection of individual opinions. One man's 7 is another man's 10. There are men who let that affect them though... "Do you think my girlfriend is hot bro?"
 

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My ratings closely match those of Wheat Waffles, although he claims HB8, HB9 and HB10 have no meaningful differences.
I didn't know he said that. I have to agree with him.
In my view, an HB8 is very attractive, but seeing an HB10 drives guys crazy. I planned to create a thread to ask about how to avoid acquintances at risk for brain melt in the presence of HB10s.
 

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I've worked with celebrities in the past (not her though). Once you see women like this in person, you see they are as "elite" as the next pretty face. But again: we all see reality subjectively. On a macro level it's still just a collection of individual opinions. One man's 7 is another man's 10. There are men who let that affect them though... "Do you think my girlfriend is hot bro?"
I suspect the shock wears off as the work hours add up. If you have any advice on detecting & avoiding celebrity-obsessed guys, I'm curious about that. While I haven't dated a celebrity, I had some acquaintances became obsessed with my girlfriend at the time. Spotting them earlier and avoiding their awkwardness would be a plus.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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