"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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POLL: How many HB9s have you slept with on multiple occassions?

How many HB9s have you slept with more than once? (fwb, g/f, plate, ...)

  • 0

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • 1

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • 3-5

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • 6-10

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • 11-20

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • 21-40

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 41+

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .

FlirtLife

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Individual preferences kick in at 10 of 10, so this poll focuses on women who are HB9 (or higher) in looks.

While a "one night stand" might be getting lucky, this is about more than luck, so single encounters are not included.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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One girl who might qualify as a 9 depending on who you ask, if you like tall & fit blondes from Eastern Europe. Had sex about 10x over the course of a week (nutted inside her every time too).

Other than that I'm pretty sure every girl I've locked down for any meaningful length of time was in the 6-7 range.
 

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One girl who might qualify as a 9 depending on who you ask, if you like tall & fit blondes from Eastern Europe.
My ratings closely match those of Wheat Waffles, although he claims HB8, HB9 and HB10 have no meaningful differences.


To be fair to Wheat Waffles, he goes further and argues against the 1-10 scale:

 

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Only 2. One was A polish model working in the UK. I had no car at the time and was in a dead end bar job but for 3 weeks she was all mine. Still not sure how.

Second was my GF for almost 2 years. She was a very posh girl from a wealthy family and I had just got out of a young offender prison….

I was her bad boy. I should have married her. I actually looked her up a couple years ago and she still looks amazing. Became an architect married a councillor….
 

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Mine was ex-girlfriend (in Asia) where I got a boost from (fading) looks and being an exotic foreigner. Normally I don't get back together with an ex, but we broke up over a silly cultural misunderstanding which I found amusing. Many months later, we hung out for a day and got back together.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Probably only 1 legit 9+ for 12 months. She had banged rappers and athletes, told me lots of wild stories incl one known rapper graping her. She kinda set a benchmark in my heart for the level of attractiveness I need to settle down with. She actually gave me advice that I didn't need to settle down for a long time and to build myself up, I was 24-25 at the time. Looking back she as pretty red pill way before I knew what that meant. I peeped her LinkedIn last year and she works in a north american government now, looks the same.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Definitely zero. Forget multiple occasions, never had sex with a 9 once. I suspect the same is true for most guys here...
 

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They dont get the fact that a 9 is margot robbie in 2013 in the wolf of wall street.
In fairness the confusion is understandable. Many assume that a 9 is 90th percentile. E.g if you take 1,000 random women between the ages of 20-25, a 9 would be the 900th most attractive. However the scale doesn't really work that way. 9s are considered extremely rare.
 

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Subjectively, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Eights and 9's are seen all over the place and not just in movies. Depends on personal taste. And each individual is on a sliding scale anyway. They should be routinely scrubbing up to an 8 to warrant more than a couple of visits.

As an honest approximation...
9s, probably not more than five.
8s, circa 15-20 (this is really ideally gf range).
7s, I lose count.
Near misses, I dread to think.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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In fairness the confusion is understandable. Many assume that a 9 is 90th percentile. E.g if you take 1,000 random women between the ages of 20-25, a 9 would be the 900th most attractive. However the scale doesn't really work that way. 9s are considered extremely rare.
The closest I got was a Wheat Waffles video I mentioned earlier (see 1 min 21 sec), where I'd estimate 3% are HB9+, maybe 1 in 30. That graph might not be to scale, as I'd argue for 1% or less HB9+. On Tinder years ago (in Asia) I matched with just one HB9 out of 100+ matches, who is my ex-girlfriend.
 

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Subjectively, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Eights and 9's are seen all over the place and not just in movies. Depends on personal taste. And each individual is on a sliding scale anyway.
This!!

I was just reminded of this when I did some reading on Caleb Jones Alpha male site. He did an article and YT vid on "the top 10 countries with the most beautiful women" and I didn't agree with at least half of the choices. Calling Japan & Korea the best looking asian women isn't something I agree with, and I lived in Korea for 2 years. I've always found south asian ladies much more appealing.

Then there's all the love for eastern European and Russian women that I don't get, and they tend not to age well IMO as they sometimes hit the "Babushka bomb" at an early age.

I've had a couple curvy booty packin' shorties that I would consider high on the scale and many other men who like tall leggy model types wouldn't rate them very high.

It's all subjective and all about tastes.
 

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They dont get the fact that a 9 is margot robbie in 2013 in the wolf of wall street.
It's all subjective and all about tastes.
It’s not really subjective. For example, white women are not my personal fancy but @Fortune_favors_the_bold is correct in that Margot Robbie in WoWS is elite tier. Most straight guys will agree with that general rating. A woman that is a true HB9 has cross cultural beauty appeal. If it feels subjective, it’s because she ain’t that hot (probably is more like a 6 or 7).
 

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It’s not really subjective. For example, white women are not my personal fancy but @Fortune_favors_the_bold is correct in that Margot Robbie in WoWS is elite tier. Most straight guys will agree with that general rating. A woman that is a true HB9 has cross cultural beauty appeal. If it feels subjective, it’s because she ain’t that hot (probably is more like a 6 or 7).
I don't agree with that at all, never liked blondes, prefer brunettes.
Margot is a beautiful woman but prime Selma Hayek blows her off the map for me.

It is subjective, to try to deny this is going against human nature.
 

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Can't disagree about Robbie in WoW and she's generally a solid 9. However, it's a fallacy that every woman in the public eye meets that standard because very few do. Equally false that non-famous women cannot and do not meet that standard. The mainstream media completely warps what we are conditioned to. Let's not pretend that MR isn't on that sliding scale just like the rest of them; she just happened to be in peak shape in that film in particular.
My last three serious gfs have been curvaceous Latina/Arabic looking types, and that is definitely my thing nowadays. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I would challenge any man in this forum to kick any of them out of bed. It's is and always will be very much subjective; the point regards cross-cultural attraction actually adds weight to the argument.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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