I'm not diving for quality on pof so I have no reason to be humiliated.Ad hominems? Somebody is really affected here.
Is this what you do when you feel humiliated?
this is an online forum bro. relax. take a deep breath. it's going to be alright.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I'm not diving for quality on pof so I have no reason to be humiliated.Ad hominems? Somebody is really affected here.
Is this what you do when you feel humiliated?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Seems like some antagonizing words here. Why do you feel the need to antagonize other posters?I'm not diving for quality on pof so I have no reason to be humiliated.
this is an online forum bro. relax. take a deep breath. it's going to be alright.
If you require head nodding yes men or else you consider it "antagonizing" that's your issue.Seems like some antagonizing words here. Why do you feel the need to antagonize other posters?
It's clear that you have been trolling my posts. Further, all your assertions are unsubstantiated nor have you shown that the assertions you claim I made were made by me--despite my repeated requests to have normal dialogue.If you require head nodding yes men or else you consider it "antagonizing" that's your issue.
I don't need complete head nodding yes men agreement with every statement I make.
its a discussion forum. not delivering monologues from a pulpit.
Why are you telling men it's their fault and it can't possibly ever be the chick at fault.It's clear that you have been trolling my posts. Further, all your assertions are unsubstantiated nor have you shown that the assertions you claim I made were made by me--despite my repeated requests to have normal dialogue.
So if you continue to make unsubstantiated assertions and refuse to source your assertions, but instead purport additional straw-assertions, then it is reasonable to any reader that you are trolling.
So again I ask you: Why are you trolling and attempting to antagonize with ad hominens and straw-assertions?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Show me where I said a specific or group of women on pof is what men in every aspect of life should strive for.why are you using pof dregs as evidence of what men who are successful in every aspect of life should strive for.
Show me where I said all the women I meet on pof were quality.9Volt said:are you not talking about all the quality women you meet using pof and providing profiles of them. the one you replied to who had three headshots only?
More antagonizing words?9Volt said:Are you even self aware?
You used number rating and tried to pass the best looking who use old as some sort of quality.Show me where I said a specific or group of women on pof is what men in every aspect of life should strive for.
Show me where I said all the women I meet on pof were quality.
More antagonizing words?
Show me where I stated the "best looking," or how any good-looking girl was quality by virtue of her looks.You used number rating and tried to pass the best looking who use old as some sort of quality.
Show me that what I did present was stated to be evidence of "success."9Volt said:Again it's no secret pof is bottom of the barrel yet that is what you present as evidence of "success".
More antagonizing words?you can't polish a turd and tell people it's a diamond.
More antagonizing words?I guess my trash is your treasure.
You sound like you're trying to convince yourself of your own nonsense.Show me where I stated the "best looking," or how any good-looking girl was quality by virtue of her looks.
Show me that what I did present was stated to be evidence of "success."
More antagonizing words?
More antagonizing words?
More antagonizing words?]You sound like you're trying to convince yourself of your own nonsense.
More antagonizing words?9Volt said:why bother showing or rating chicks using pof then if you know your serving up dog food.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
- Why couldn't MLK have accepted white people as they were 50 years ago? (in which they were racist). Why couldn't the various entrepreneurs and investors have accepted the world, the market, a sector, etc., as it was, instead of pushing their new inventions into the market?Ok, let's run with your contention that all women are crazy. Again, why can't you accept them as they are?
You are over-estimating my "episodes". It's not that serious, trust me.Another thought to ponder on: let's say there were exceptions to the crazy women and we identified a few sane ones. What makes you think you could keep a sane women with your monthly episodes and internal emotional turmoil?
I honestly don't count, MOST of the chicks who message me first aren't attractive at all.I want to ask guys like 9 volt, Tenacity and others how many messages a week you get from females messaging you first?
1) MLK was an activist and you are not. If you really had a deep passion with this, what actions have you taken outside of this forum to effect your stance?Tenacity said:Why couldn't MLK have accepted white people as they were 50 years ago? (in which they were racist)
Here you compare an entrepreneur innovating technology to clearly improve the world with forcing women to uphold traditional behaviors, which, dependent on the manner of perspective, could be liberating or immuring.Tenacity said:Why couldn't the various entrepreneurs and investors have accepted the world, the market, a sector, etc., as it was, instead of pushing their new inventions into the market?
I'd say let the women who like gay men be with gay men, and stick with the women who appreciate your sexuality. Have clear standards of what you deem acceptable, and disqualify women who don't meet those standards. Simple. It's never an all/none dichotomy for multi-dimensional thinkers.Tenacity said:At what point is ENOUGH ENOUGH for you Legend? For example, if chicks all started fvcking gay men (which is already happening BTW) and being GAY was considered "attractive" to women, thus, screwing another man in his a.ss would get you pvssy....would you advocate that men "improve" their "SMV" by becoming GAY?
This is your choice Tenacity. I've been with hundreds of women, and not one worshiped any of the people you mentioned. Not rocket science here. Choose different women.Tenacity said:Because women are already doing insane stupid shyt out here like worshipping thugs, worshipping criminals, worshipping Boston Bombers, worshipping Terrorists, etc., and people like YOU get up on this forum and actually analyze the quote, unquote "good qualities" of these piece of shyt men that other guys on here should somehow "adapt" to be like as it will "increase their SMV", please a group of women who have LOST their god damn mind.
You requested an honest discussion, right? How many women have you lost as a result of your episodes?Tenacity said:You are over-estimating my "episodes". It's not that serious, trust me.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
More antagonizing words?Remember dudes. Work on your value in every aspect of life so you too can one day become an anonymous legend on a forum presenting chicks from a bottom of the barrel website as evidence of success.
It is not a girl's fault if she doesn't like you. I'm sorry you feel so affected by your myriad rejections. The fault is in YOUR thinking to be feel so affected.9Volt said:And never forget. It's never a chicks fault. that's impossible. it's always yours because your value, game etc just wasn't good enough no matter what negatives she possesses.
More antagonizing words?9Volt said:anything other to the contrary is toxic "trolling".
You assume rejection.More antagonizing words?
It is not a girl's fault if she doesn't like you. I'm sorry you feel so affected by your myriad rejections. The fault is in YOUR thinking to be feel so affected.
More antagonizing words?
According to your statement earlier, verbatim, "I have no value, and I still meet women."men also reject toxic chicks. Believe it or not. I'm one of those men. Like it or not.
getting three headshots replies isn't meeting them.According to your statement earlier, verbatim, "I have no value, and I still meet women."
If you have no value, you are not rejecting any women.
Show me where I said I was meeting them.getting three headshots replies isn't meeting them.
More antagonizing words?9Volt said:you're dumpster diving.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.