"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Playing hard to get v. asking out

Maeisgood

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How do you ask out a girl AND act like you don't want her? That seems contradictory and confusing.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Act really confident about it, expect that she will say yes. and if she doesn't just pretend that you don't care, just brush it off, there are plenty more.
 

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personally i never ask a girl out. i go thru the PU stages. then wen u're kissing then soon enough she'll let the word 'girlfriend' slip out and then u can work from there
 

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Youre playing the game with the wrong ball....like playing golf with a basketball, the damn ball will never go in. The trick here is not to make her think you dont want her. Youre right that is contradicting, what you want to do is ask her out, and dont worry about it. Afterall the reason you ask her out is bc youre interested. The trick is letting her know that youre interested, but youre not needy, and you need to show her youre a real man.
 

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You could try this.
"Me and some friends are going ______ later on, you can tag along if you want."
Her possible responses:
1) No thanks. - Doesn't matter cause in her eyes your not desperate because your gonna go no matter what even if she wasn't going to come. It's like you were doing her a favor by letting her be part of the fun too.

2) Sure/Yes/Ok - At this point you got your self a date. Meet her wherever you guys are going or you can pick her up, whatever you'd like. When you get to the place say in a playful way "O well, looks like they, (your friends), didn't show up."
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I love newbies giving advice to newbies. All that happens is the same old advice is recycled.

There are many different ways of getting a girl to want to go out with you. One method is to act like you are not interested in her, of course she has to be a little interested in you first. The real thrust in this method is not that you do not want her, but that you do not need her, YOU ARE NOT DESPERATE.

Of course when you ask a girl out, you are committing and showing that you want to spend time with her, the whole point of a relationship, you like the girl. So it does look as if the advice is in complete juxtaposition. Act like you do need her rather than do not want her. Since, if a girl acts like she does not want you, you are less likely to ask her out.

Remember play nice.
 

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^JSH..wtf? at least other ppl gave advice, all u did was highlight his problem which he already knew existed..
 
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Very good. Thanks everyone for helping to clarify that for me.
 

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Originally posted by azn_alex
^JSH..wtf? at least other ppl gave advice, all u did was highlight his problem which he already knew existed..

No, actually he made more sense than anyone...


One method is to act like you are not interested in her, of course she has to be a little interested in you first. The real thrust in this method is not that you do not want her, but that you do not need her, YOU ARE NOT DESPERATE

I dont consider myself a DJ, or an AFC, but this makes a lot of sense to my current situation. I was really thinking about this girl a lot, too much, borderline oneitis going on. So a week and a half ago I decided to stop talking to her and stop hanging out with her because I knew she either wasnt interested or was playing games, either way I wasnt in good shape. I didnt call her this past weekend, and she called on Sunday. We talked for a couple minutes, just basic BS "how are you" yada yada and we hung up. She said she was just calling to say whats up and we hadnt talked, I told her not to be afraid to call but made sure not to say Id call and didnt try and make plans to hang out. 30 minutes later she called me back on my cell phone and said she wanted to hang out with me. I was on my way to play basketball and told her Id call her when I got back. we didnt hang out and she called back again today and said she wanted to chill tonight. I went from thinking about her a lot and her being in control (which I think she waa really getting a thrill out of), to not thinking about her much and not caring and having her really come out of her shell and make it pretty evident she is interested and inturn seemingly making her even more interested than she might have been. This may not work for your situation but it worked for me
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Sorry, I was in a rush, I had to work on my A levels.

They work best as two different methods, but can be combined.

The essence in getting a relationship with a girl is that you want her but do not need her. (assuming some basics)

Asking her out shows that you want her.

Playing hard to get shows that you need her.

The best way of combining the two is for her to believe that you have value (ie other girls want you) and for you to ask her out. They are not contradictory is essence but are difficult to demonstrate at the same time. The way in which I do this is through teasing and social value (having a reputation and girls wanting to go out with you). You can even build your own social value, by telling stories of what you have done, but make them believable and occasionally show that you can do these things you talk of.
 
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