"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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vorbis

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Ok lately, I feel talking to girls on the phone is killing me. In January, I got 4 phone numbers. (It was my first month over here. Still getting settled) Out of these, only one led to a date. 2 of the others though sounded enthuastic in person but got distant on the phone.

I made a mistake with the first girl in not making definite plans. She seemed up for drinks but wasn't sure if she was off on the Friday night. I foolishly told her to ring me if she was free rather than just picking a bar and getting her to ring me if she was working. She never called and didn't respond to a voicemail I left the following week.

The second girl actually made plans to go out on a Friday night but the phone convo itself was rather stilited and we didn't seem to have much rapport. She left a voicemail on a Friday saying she wanted to reschedule due to a family emergency. I left her a voicemail suggesting a time the following week. She never rang me back and also didn't answer a second voicemail a few days later.

Basically what should you be trying to achieve on the phone? I find it hard to pick up topics of conversation on the phone? I usually just try to set up a date and leave it at that.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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foomee

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When you're calling up a girl, you're doing it for a reason. Quickly fulfill that reason and get it over with. Make quick chat, make her laugh a little, then arrange a date or get together. Guys call people for a typical reason, to ask something, to hang out, anything... you never see a guy just calling to say hi.
 

wheelin&dealin

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1 for 4 ain't that bad. The more girls you ask out, the more dates you get. The better you get at gauging interest levels, the higher your success rate. Keep mingling with the ladies and you'll be on fire in no time.
 

Warlord

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Originally posted by foomee
When you're calling up a girl, you're doing it for a reason. Quickly fulfill that reason and get it over with. Make quick chat, make her laugh a little, then arrange a date or get together. Guys call people for a typical reason, to ask something, to hang out, anything... you never see a guy just calling to say hi.
I agree and disagree with what you said. When a girl gives you her number, she wants you to ask her out on a date.

HOWEVER. Rapport is also important, sometimes saying hi here and there increases or decreases interest (depending on how the conversation went) There is nothing wrong with talking about nothing for 10 min. If it went good, a future date or even a first date chance increases from 50% to 75%.

You seem to forget that girls and guys may have similar logic, but they do not operate like guys do. Guys = Yes/No. Girls = Ehhh depends how much I like the person(s) or what I can get out of it.
 

satyriasis

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Originally posted by Warlord
When a girl gives you her number, she wants you to ask her out on a date.
so your saying every girl that gives there # is expecting a date straight up front?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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