"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Paying Frat Guys To Make Me Look Popular

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Hello,

If I offered Frat Guys Thousands of Dollars, Do you think,
realistically they could make me look popular and introduce
me to lots of sorority peeps?

What do you think?

Are you are a Frat guy that can do this for me?

Advise appreciated
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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thunder_god

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Mods please ban this guy!
 

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Actually not the worst idea I've ever heard

Men crack me up with this invisible moral line they won't cross to impress women they swear about online dating yet won't pay for professional head shots half the forum thinks only frat can get laid yet are outraged at paying for an: in
 

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Hmmm lol this is better than getting an escort in my opinion and most of this forum has probably done that before
 

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Reallistically, what can these guys do for me?

The most alpha ones in the Frat can really
make me popular with the sororitiy peeps?

What do you think?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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i mean, if i had to resort to paying someone to make me look popular they're pretty much going to introduce me to all their girls they know and talk me up let me come hang out at their parties, etc.
 

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backbreaker said:
i mean, if i had to resort to paying someone to make me look popular they're pretty much going to introduce me to all their girls they know and talk me up let me come hang out at their parties, etc.
so would it work??

there is a huge incentive for the Frat guys,
thousands of dollars
 

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There are several things wrong with this idea, I'm just going to point out three..

1) "Looking popular" and actually "being popular" are two different things.

2) Expect most guys to take the money laughing and do very little "helping".

but most importantly...

3) You are only attempting to cure your "symptoms", when you should ALWAYS attempt to cure the "disease".

The "disease" being the fact that you have very little self-esteem and need the approval of others to feel valued.

What's the point of "introduce me to lots of sorority peeps" when you're probably going to weird them out when they find out you paid random guys 1000s of dollars to introduce you to them? Or when you keep following them around imitating everything they do?

Save your money and be honest with yourself...what are you afraid of? Write it all down on a list. Then describe why you are afraid of them?

Accurate diagnosis will solve half the problem...only then can you go about trying to improve your situation.
 

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3agle 3yes said:
2) Expect most guys to take the money laughing and do very little "helping".
Well, Here's the catch,

and let me know what you think of this.

I don't pay them everything up front. I pay them bi-weekly.

Every 2 weeks, two thousand dollars or something.

If they don't help me, they stopped getting paid,

Why would they want to lose 2000 dollars potentially every 2 weeks?
 

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problem number one, it don't matter if they will introduce any girl they know, you will be incapable in doing anything because if knowing people is your problem then it won't solve it,
second everyone would take your money and don't help you, even worse you will be know as a tool, so you can be your wallet everyone you know will know this before
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Alvafe said:
problem number one, it don't matter if they will introduce any girl they know, you will be incapable in doing anything because if knowing people is your problem then it won't solve it,
second everyone would take your money and don't help you, even worse you will be know as a tool, so you can be your wallet everyone you know will know this before
Did you read what I said:

Well, Here's the catch,

and let me know what you think of this.

I don't pay them everything up front. I pay them bi-weekly.

Every 2 weeks, two thousand dollars or something.

If they don't help me, they stopped getting paid,

Why would they want to lose 2000 dollars potentially every 2 weeks?


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If they don't help me, them they lose 2000 every 2 weeks.

I will also put a bonus incentive,

if they do a good job, I will give them an extra 1000 per bi-weekly pay.


so if they help me well then they get 3000 every 2 weeks,

and you are telling me, even with these incentives they will screw me over and choose to make 0$?
 

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Mike32ct said:
The other problem is getting the guy to keep his mouth shut that you paid him for this.

He will swear up and down that he won't tell anyone, but he probably will, and you won't know about it.
He is really ready to give up 2000 + 1000 bonus just to talk crap?

Who in there right mind would risk losing all that money.
 

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i don't see it any different than me taking my old oneitis out with me as social proof and dance / kick it with her, girls saw me with her (who was a knockout) and it was instant validation.


you got to use what tools you can. i applaud the OP for thinking outside the box.

IF you put some serious thought into it, it would work.
 

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Worst idea ever. People are rarely motivated by money alone. To perform adequately, sure. To excel at it, it requires more from the inside.

You should put in the time for improving yourself and your internal skills and internal motivation. Faking up all the popularity, even looks and money alone won't do it (although it can for a time). Any facade will wear itself down from the inside out.

I also see you haven't learned value of effort, since your solution is to throw money at it. Most likely have not earned any of it either, since the level of it is entirely not conservative and over-valued. Money can be a great tool, but in poor hands, it can be useless.

In closing - horrible idea.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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This is pathetic.

Dude, work on yourself and think of ways YOU can improve yourself without having to pay people.

You must be rich or something in order to think this is a good idea.

This is like me paying strippers to walk around the mall with me so it looks like I'm desired, which is just as bad.

Say this dumb idea works, which I'm willing to bet money it won't since its retarded. What happens after they make you "look popular"?

You still wont do well with women because your inner game and self esteem have to be terrible if you think this is a good idea.

Come on bro, you're a man, man.

Where the fvck is your pride?

Work on yourself, and strive toward being the best man you can be.

Money can't solve all your problems yo.

Damn rich people.
 

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RedScorpion said:
Worst idea ever. People are rarely motivated by money alone. To perform adequately, sure. To excel at it, it requires more from the inside.

You should put in the time for improving yourself and your internal skills and internal motivation. Faking up all the popularity, even looks and money alone won't do it (although it can for a time). Any facade will wear itself down from the inside out.

I also see you haven't learned value of effort, since your solution is to throw money at it. Most likely have not earned any of it either, since the level of it is entirely not conservative and over-valued. Money can be a great tool, but in poor hands, it can be useless.

In closing - horrible idea.
Money is a great motivator.

Every heard the expression every man has it's price?

People in Mexico are beheading other cartel members,
doing all sorts of messed up things, and for what?

Money

People would do anything for money.

Money Money Money

You are telling me frat boys would turn down 3000 a month? all they have to do is introduce me to sorority peeps and make me look cool.
 

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Question for the Members of This Board

Seriously, why do y'all respond to this bullsh*t? Ban this dude, immediately.
 

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lovespell said:
Money is a great motivator.

Every heard the expression every man has it's price?

People in Mexico are beheading other cartel members,
doing all sorts of messed up things, and for what?

Money

People would do anything for money.

Money Money Money

You are telling me frat boys would turn down 3000 a month? all they have to do is introduce me to sorority peeps and make me look cool.
Then get the **** out and do just that then.

This guy needs to be banned, agreed.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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