Opinion on this girl

[antr]

Hi all,

So I met this girl who seems pretty traditional and is very young (20).

We've been on 2 dates so far and kissed on 2nd (she rejected me twice before that on the same date, but I acted normal when it happend). Now during the date which lasted more then 6h she was very touchy, kept telling me how I never send her a text and that we should hang out more but that I never ask her out.

Now this last part about never asking her out isnt true. Last time we were supposed to go on a date she flaked 30 mins before (her excuse seemed semi-believeable) and I decided to cut contact here. Few days passed and I set up a date and kept NC before the date.

Long story short, at the end of 2nd date she proposes we see each other day after, which I couldnt since I had plans with different girl.

Now after few days I asked her to go out again. Her response is that she doesnt want to if its gonna turn into something more. She is ok to hang out but without kissing, touching etc unless it turns into something more through conversation. Also said that it takes at least 1-2 months when seeing a guy before she even thinks about kissing him.

She also told me that shes not ready for something more because shes been hurting entire last year and is still recovering from it.

How should I act here if its not already lost? I should also say shes the one always initiating contact but then makes excuses when I try setting up dates.

 

[Desdinova]

Also said that it takes at least 1-2 months when seeing a guy before she even thinks about kissing him.

When women are highly attracted to a man, they don't say stupid 5hit like this. They just do it.

She also told me that shes not ready for something more because shes been hurting entire last year and is still recovering from it.

She's been alpha-widowed by the previous dude and is now damaged goods. You're being compared to that guy who left a deep emotional impact on her, and you're not comparing. If you treat her like crap, you might be able to get a lay out of it.

Also said that it takes at least 1-2 months when seeing a guy before she even thinks about kissing him.

...and I'm willing to bet it didn't happen that way with her last BF. She's looking for his replacement, which she is never going to find.

Honestly, I don't think she's worth the time unless you're willing to treat her like garbage to get her emotions jumping around.

 

[antr]

When women are highly attracted to a man, they don't say stupid 5hit like this. They just do it.

Honestly, I don't think she's worth the time unless you're willing to treat her like garbage to get her emotions jumping around.

I also think she might have low IL.

You dont think theres a chance shes just playing hard to get and is afraid of getting hurt again?

Lets say Im willing to put a little more time into this girl, what would you do in that case?

 

[derby1]

She's been alpha-widowed by the previous dude and is now damaged goods.

i alpha widowed my last LTR and i didnt even know i was doing it.....then i went all faggot trying to fix the relationship....then i had to come to this site and corey wayne to study my original behaviour pattern

I should also say shes the one always initiating contact but then makes excuses when I try setting up dates.

Red Flag attention *****, your one of a hundred........................activate the fade out never initiate again...when she initiates you do 3-4 cross texts MAX !!!!

and you leave the convo "got to go keep in touch"!!!

1 of 2 things will happen

1.shell sod off

2. shell bring up meeting up

if its number 2 dont feel good about it due to her original 2 months to kiss bollocks

 

[Desdinova]

I also think she might have low IL.

Of course she does. You don't compare to her ex. You aren't getting her emotions bouncing around like her ex did.

You dont think theres a chance shes just playing hard to get and is afraid of getting hurt again?

Women don't get "hurt" the same way men do. That first real one is the most damaging one, and for her it's the most recent one. If she fvcked a couple of guys before she met you, then you might have an easier time.

Lets say Im willing to put a little more time into this girl, what would you do in that case?

Either try treating her like crap to get laid, or move onto another prospect. It's not worth investing a lot of time and effort into a woman who's not interested in you and damaged from her last relationship.

 

[lizardking82]

I agree with @Desdinova here fully. You are not going to get anything out of her. She's damaged goods, bro. Someone else alpha-widowed her and that's it. Even the lay you could get out of her is not gonna be worth it, trust me.

 

[antr]

To paraphrase David DeAngelo: You make something valuable by making it seem scarce.

In my opinion she has already soft-rejected you. Giving her more of your time and attention will only stir her ego. She's liking having a good chuckle right now.

Yea, I thought the same, but wanted 2nd opinion on this.

 

[derby1]

Im not a big fan of ignoring/blocking/ghosting its female weak behaviour unless the woman in question has started pyscho moves

ISNT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS SITE TO HAVE SEX WITH WOMEN

if Op responds to her initiating and keeps it polite

never asks a question bk but just gives one way answers she will take the hint and SOD OFF

or she will bring up meeting up if she does she MUST COME TO OP's HOUSE nowhere else OP Is not going anywhere hes very tired this week

then if she dont turn up no ****s are given

i have sex with a few women on this basis they may not be one of my plates but THEY ALWAYS COME TO MINE on a 3 monthly rota

 

[dude99]

Hi all,

So I met this girl who seems pretty traditional and is very young (20).

We've been on 2 dates so far and kissed on 2nd (she rejected me twice before that on the same date, but I acted normal when it happend). Now during the date which lasted more then 6h she was very touchy, kept telling me how I never send her a text and that we should hang out more but that I never ask her out.

Now this last part about never asking her out isnt true. Last time we were supposed to go on a date she flaked 30 mins before (her excuse seemed semi-believeable) and I decided to cut contact here. Few days passed and I set up a date and kept NC before the date.

Long story short, at the end of 2nd date she proposes we see each other day after, which I couldnt since I had plans with different girl.

Now after few days I asked her to go out again. Her response is that she doesnt want to if its gonna turn into something more. She is ok to hang out but without kissing, touching etc unless it turns into something more through conversation. Also said that it takes at least 1-2 months when seeing a guy before she even thinks about kissing him.

She also told me that shes not ready for something more because shes been hurting entire last year and is still recovering from it.

How should I act here if its not already lost? I should also say shes the one always initiating contact but then makes excuses when I try setting up dates.

Be yourself. As you said it yourself you have plans with another girl. Focus on the other girl(s)

This one did a lot of blah blah blah and gave a lot of excuses and rejected you twice, but the end result was still a no.

Put the ball in her court. Leave it to her to contact, and go date other women.

Hi all,

So I met this girl who seems pretty traditional and is very young (20).

We've been on 2 dates so far and kissed on 2nd (she rejected me twice before that on the same date, but I acted normal when it happend). Now during the date which lasted more then 6h she was very touchy, kept telling me how I never send her a text and that we should hang out more but that I never ask her out.

Now this last part about never asking her out isnt true. Last time we were supposed to go on a date she flaked 30 mins before (her excuse seemed semi-believeable) and I decided to cut contact here. Few days passed and I set up a date and kept NC before the date.

Long story short, at the end of 2nd date she proposes we see each other day after, which I couldnt since I had plans with different girl.

Now after few days I asked her to go out again. Her response is that she doesnt want to if its gonna turn into something more. She is ok to hang out but without kissing, touching etc unless it turns into something more through conversation. Also said that it takes at least 1-2 months when seeing a guy before she even thinks about kissing him.

She also told me that shes not ready for something more because shes been hurting entire last year and is still recovering from it.

How should I act here if its not already lost? I should also say shes the one always initiating contact but then makes excuses when I try setting up dates.

Be yourself. Treat her politely and like any other aquaintance. As you said it yourself you have plans with another girl. Focus on the other girl(s)

This one did a lot of blah blah blah and gave a lot of excuses and rejected you twice, but the end result was still a no. Anything other than a yes no matrer how it is sugar coated or layered in escuses is a no.

Put the ball in her court. Leave it to her to contact, and go date other women. Stay nc because you don't want to waste your valuable time.

 

[dude99]

I also think she might have low IL.

Her excused are a dead giveaway of low interest.

"I've been hurt." Who hasn't. Guy and girl. Strength is picking yourself up and moving forward and bettering yourself after you have been hurt. Weakness is using past hurts to create excuses to hide behind.

"I don't kiss guys for 2 months." 10 bucks says if Chandum Tatum (or what ever his name is,) were to walk up and plant one on her she'd be in his bed laping up his pillow talk in 10 minutes.

 

[The Duke]

One of the most important and helpful things I've learned about women is this:

A woman that has high interest will leave no doubts in your mind that she is interested. There will be no flakeyness, no questions, no excuses.

The woman you described has low interest. Your time is better spent chasing after one with high interest. ;-)

 

[devilkingx2]

Now after few days I asked her to go out again. Her response is that she doesnt want to if its gonna turn into something more. She is ok to hang out but without kissing, touching etc unless it turns into something more through conversation. Also said that it takes at least 1-2 months when seeing a guy before she even thinks about kissing him.

"okay but can i bring a date?"

She also told me that shes not ready for something more because shes been hurting entire last year and is still recovering from it.

"Wanna netflix n chill instead then?"

 

[marmel75]

All I want to know is why the hell you are going on 6 hour dates with a woman you just met?

Desperate much?

 

[antr]

i alpha widowed my last LTR and i didnt even know i was doing it.....then i went all faggot trying to fix the relationship....then i had to come to this site and corey wayne to study my original behaviour pattern



Red Flag attention *****, your one of a hundred........................activate the fade out never initiate again...when she initiates you do 3-4 cross texts MAX !!!!

and you leave the convo "got to go keep in touch"!!!

1 of 2 things will happen

1.shell sod off

2. shell bring up meeting up

if its number 2 dont feel good about it due to her original 2 months to kiss bollocks

She brought a meeting up and we setup a date in 4 days (I'm busy with work and uni so I need to know few days in advance). She's coming to my place.

Should I just keep NC till date now, and what to do in case if she contacts me?
And how to go on about this no kissing bs?

 

[dude99]

Should I just keep NC till date now, and what to do in case if she contacts me?
And how to go on about this no kissing bs?

Yes. Stay no to minimim contact. If she contacts you, keep it brief. "Nice to hear from you, but I'm swamped right now we will catch up on our date."

She contacted you. She is the one who set up the date. If you go for the kiss at the end of the date after that then she is a profession time waster. She can use all the excuses she wants. Bottome line is she is wasting your time.

 

[antr]

Yes. Stay no to minimim contact. If she contacts you, keep it brief. "Nice to hear from you, but I'm swamped right now we will catch up on our date."

She contacted you. She is the one who set up the date. If you go for the kiss at the end of the date after that then she is a profession time waster. She can use all the excuses she wants. Bottome line is she is wasting your time.

So you're saying I shouldn't try anything physical with her unless she initiates?

 

[dude99]

So you're saying I shouldn't try anything physical with her unless she initiates?

If she initiates then green light. I would keep the date brief. Go for drinks, light and funny humour. Let her know you have plans after, dont tell her what the plans are. That is your business. Then drop her off and go for a normal kiss. Do not invest. Just keep it light.

If she receives the kiss. You then make plans with her again, latern on. Not that night. You do not text or contact her that night not even if she asks you to tell her when you get home.

If she turns and gives you the cheek, you stop, pull back, smile and extend your hand for her to shake. Then say take care.

And go date other women.

 

[antr]

so we hang out yesterday, and I found out shes a virgin... dno if this changes things? also ex cheated on her (guessing because she didnt want to give) and she dumped him after

 

[TheGambino]

This is just the right time to move on and focus on other women, she will come back. Her interest level is just enough to date you or to show up, then you have to tingle her at the right spots to get her in the bed so I would say move on. She is already shutting you down to see how desperate you may become, so I would say abbort mission.

 

[Desdinova]

I found out shes a virgin... dno if this changes things?

Well, let's assume that she's not lying about it.

First of all, her attachment to her ex would be purely emotional. She needs a night of passionate lovemaking to reach a new depth of emotion. An orgasm will sink those emotions even deeper. If the guy's a bit of an a55hole on top of it, he'll be good as gold.

Her interest level is just enough to date you or to show up, then you have to tingle her at the right spots to get her in the bed so I would say move on.

Gambino is correct. You have to make her wet without playing with her vagina. A good kisser will know the spots and the lip movement to make the panties weep. This is something ALL men should work on. A great kisser will get women thinking about them non-stop.

To the OP: If you're having problems making this virgin spread her legs, then there are likely aspects of your game that need work. Kissing might be one of them. It also sounds like you might be talking with her too much. Less conversation, more action.