Albatross953
Master Don Juan
I should mention third date for me, I usually will take her to the rifle range if she's cool. Its actually really well received most of the time.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Excellent post, couldn't rep more, very similar to my own experiences OLD. Especially the parts about "100 emails before waste of time" "not reveal income" "circling back to ones who don't respond (no more than once though IMO)" and several other points.Espi said:here are just a few things off the top of my head. I'll probably edit this as I think of more pros and cons.
What works
Care to elaborate on how you structure your emails? Do you use the ****y/funny angle, or be genuine? Do you ask a lot of questions? I've been doing OLD for about 3 months, had some success, getting better. But I can always use some pointers from veterans haha.dasein said:Excellent post, couldn't rep more, very similar to my own experiences OLD. Especially the parts about "100 emails before waste of time" "not reveal income" "circling back to ones who don't respond (no more than once though IMO)" and several other points.
I do some things differently, but mostly similar. One important thing is to humbly assess one's strengths and then play to those strengths. Use stock techniques here and elsewhere as training wheels until you develop your own style, but in order to develop that style, you must do much repetition. I started out a miserable failure OLD, and ended up after much hard work and effort to learn the ropes over time able to send ten mails every goround to the hottest profiles in a large metro area and get 7 responses/dates. It's like any other skill or working out, learning a new language, instrument. Once you learn it and master it, it's very rewarding.
@thread: How much time would you spend to learn a skill that could get you laid within a couple of days by a hot woman whenever you want merely by logging into a match.com account while sipping a beer at home in your underwear? Would you do that for a week and then whine "it's too hard!" "it doesn't work!" "women OLD are all b-tches!" "only naturals can do OLD?" When you started working out or playing a sport, did you give up because you didn't have the end results you wanted in a week?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Caveat, haven't done OLD seriously in four years. Busy with career/business goals and had some intervening longer relationships. Friends tell me nothing has changed though, and I may crank up OLD again in late 2014.GS750 said:Care to elaborate on how you structure you emails? Do you use the ****y/funny angle, or be genuine? Do you ask a lot of questions? I've been doing OLD for about 3 months, had some success, getting better. But I can always use some pointers from veterans haha.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
------Espi said:I use match.com and I always ask them out on the first email and in my experience usually only the most attractive ones seem to go for it. I'm specific about when and where I want to meet them, though. Your opener is very basic--which is a good thing, IMO--and I would be more specific as to the day and time and place you want to meet.
"You are attractive, and I want to meet you. Will you join me for a drink or two this Wednesday night at 8 at The Rusty Nail on 5th and Main? You're buying"