online openers

[Albatross953]

I should mention third date for me, I usually will take her to the rifle range if she's cool. Its actually really well received most of the time.

 

[dasein]

here are just a few things off the top of my head. I'll probably edit this as I think of more pros and cons.

What works

Excellent post, couldn't rep more, very similar to my own experiences OLD. Especially the parts about "100 emails before waste of time" "not reveal income" "circling back to ones who don't respond (no more than once though IMO)" and several other points.

I do some things differently, but mostly similar. One important thing is to humbly assess one's strengths and then play to those strengths. Use stock techniques here and elsewhere as training wheels until you develop your own style, but in order to develop that style, you must do much repetition. I started out a miserable failure OLD, and ended up after much hard work and effort to learn the ropes over time able to send ten mails every goround to the hottest profiles in a large metro area and get 7 responses/dates. It's like any other skill or working out, learning a new language, instrument. Once you learn it and master it, it's very rewarding.

@thread: How much time would you spend to learn a skill that could get you laid within a couple of days by a hot woman whenever you want merely by logging into a match.com account while sipping a beer at home in your underwear? Would you do that for a week and then whine "it's too hard!" "it doesn't work!" "women OLD are all b-tches!" "only naturals can do OLD?" When you started working out or playing a sport, did you give up because you didn't have the end results you wanted in a week?

 

[GS750]

Good ideas Espi. And I'm going to try the idea you had about adding them to your "favorites". I think that's a good idea, better than winking or liking a photo. Adding someone to your favorites, now that I think about it, kind of lets them know that you plan on emailing them in the near future, but are saving the profile until you get to it. As far as girls that want a guy that makes $100k plus. I don't know why a woman would put that in her profile. If she doesn't want to look like a gold digger then she should just not reply to anyone that's income doesn't meet her criteria. When I see that, it instantly makes me think she's a money grubbing h**. But I don't make that kind of money so if I see that I just close their profile and move on. But lets say I did make $125k a year...I'd probably do the same thing.

 

[GS750]

Excellent post, couldn't rep more, very similar to my own experiences OLD. Especially the parts about "100 emails before waste of time" "not reveal income" "circling back to ones who don't respond (no more than once though IMO)" and several other points.

I do some things differently, but mostly similar. One important thing is to humbly assess one's strengths and then play to those strengths. Use stock techniques here and elsewhere as training wheels until you develop your own style, but in order to develop that style, you must do much repetition. I started out a miserable failure OLD, and ended up after much hard work and effort to learn the ropes over time able to send ten mails every goround to the hottest profiles in a large metro area and get 7 responses/dates. It's like any other skill or working out, learning a new language, instrument. Once you learn it and master it, it's very rewarding.

@thread: How much time would you spend to learn a skill that could get you laid within a couple of days by a hot woman whenever you want merely by logging into a match.com account while sipping a beer at home in your underwear? Would you do that for a week and then whine "it's too hard!" "it doesn't work!" "women OLD are all b-tches!" "only naturals can do OLD?" When you started working out or playing a sport, did you give up because you didn't have the end results you wanted in a week?

Care to elaborate on how you structure your emails? Do you use the ****y/funny angle, or be genuine? Do you ask a lot of questions? I've been doing OLD for about 3 months, had some success, getting better. But I can always use some pointers from veterans haha.

 

[marmel75]

Naughty Ninja had some of the best opening messages ever designed and all this time later they are still getting me laid like a Mofo...

Lost track of how many times I get told its the best message they've ever got and from then on getting her number is a mere formality

 

[HedoRick]

Here's some tips from HedoRick... I've been pulling 4 dates a week from match, which is why I am not on SS very much these days.

Always update your profile every week. It puts you at the top of the list when chicks do a search. I get LOTS of winks this way.

Log in every two days and spam out openers. In my area, Sunday, Tues, and Thursday are best.

Have one picture in a suit. The rest are activity pictures. For instance I say I like salsa and horseback riding, I have pics enjoying those activities. I change up my picture every few days as well. Makes me seem "new".

And here's the best tip I've found. The who's viewed me shuffle. I will do this right after I log in. Gets lots more views and winks on my profile, thus a higher return on my emails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORjTtH587bA

 

[GS750]

Good tips thanks for sharing the vid. He's got a lot of good info on his site too.

 

[dasein]

Care to elaborate on how you structure you emails? Do you use the ****y/funny angle, or be genuine? Do you ask a lot of questions? I've been doing OLD for about 3 months, had some success, getting better. But I can always use some pointers from veterans haha.

Caveat, haven't done OLD seriously in four years. Busy with career/business goals and had some intervening longer relationships. Friends tell me nothing has changed though, and I may crank up OLD again in late 2014.

Agree with what hedorick posted about updating, shuffling. I also changed my opener every few days to a different joke and had women viewing me just to see my new headline. One was "10 year old nephew got on my match account somehow, so if you got invited to go to Chucky Cheese or play Xbox recently, that probably wasn't me." That kind of thing, a little corny is ok, remember we are dealing with the female not male sense of humor here. Have fun with it and your attitude will come through. It's all about marketing, and what you are marketing is a date with you, not sex, not a relationship, not anything complicated pressure or scary, just a date, a fun simple date. Every line in the profile shouts or asks "will I be missing out if I don't go on a date with this guy?" No long lists of likes, dislikes, posturing trite BS, but rather be just like Aric Baldrin in Glengarry, "ALWAYS BE CLOSING" in the profile. Ask them questions in your profile, involve them, any words said to a woman that aren't about her or what you can do for her are wasted words. BE SUBTLE THOUGH, don't supplicate.

I don't care if they know I've favorited them or not, so I don't bother with the ghost profile. I will look at 500-1000 profiles in a metro area using various search parameters (always leave "about average" as a body type, not just athletic and toned, some incredible hotties are as sensitive about body type as men are about income. Some of the best looking women I dated from match marked "about average.") Another thing is to play Sherlock Holmes with the pictures. Some really hot women purposefully put mediocre, blurry or unflattering pics as a screen. I profited greatly from going with hunches from time to time, unearthed some 9-10s that way and rarely got burned. In fact, of the 50-100 women I dated from match, only a couple were liars about age/weight. EDIT: very important, no "duckface, tramp stampy, tanning bed, obvious implants, bleached hair, van halen roadie blowing looks." As much as I would certainly put my d-ck in those without hesitation and have, they do not generally have the mental equpment to respond correctly to my OLD program. I go for hot, educated, obviously professional 25-40. These have their own set of issues, but the point here is to maximize results, and this is who I am expert at seducing. Find who your are expert at seducing and do that.

I will narrow down to 20 profiles, used to be 100 before I got good at match. Email 10, get 4-8 responses, set dates. If I don't get enough dates or prospects out of the first ten, will go to the next ten. Before I got good, would send out 10 emails a day for 5-7 days to get enough response for 5 dates. Phone and face to face are my wheelhouse, so once I get a response, the rest is usually easier.

3 point email just like a three point brief speech, no more than two medium paragraphs, preferably less, wit without snark or much sarcasm. Very hot woman has pic of her in bathing suit on beach building a turtle out of sand. Every other guy either avoids comment on that pic or the trite "nice bod, you hot." I ask her "how did you tame that turtle?" That's one point. Think outside the box and always ask yourself "how many dudes say this same thing?" before typing. After some practice, the best "three points" will hop out of the profile at you. Avoid "I do that too, I like that too, we have lots in common, I did/own bragbragbrag."

Sentence in my profile says "Not into lots of back and forth, am here to meet people, be ready to go out and have some fun and we will." Then ask for phone number in the second email, which is a mimic of the length of response they wrote. If they respond one line, you respond back "let's talk soon, please send your number or here's mine if you are more comfortable with that, xxx xxxx." If they send a paragraph, be a little more wordy before closing for the number. I can't remember having a woman decline to give her number or not call me after that. Then they are in my wheelhouse, voice and the phone, and I have practically 100% date close on the first call. I have nixed some at this point due to bad voice also.

I ask to a cool place in their area for drinks and a walkaround of some sort. Never coffee, never dinner, never movie. Kino generally starts walking around making observations or just enjoying the night/day. I will kind of lean into and towards them "accidentally" very soon after meeting and they will usually lean into me a little. I'm a big upper and lower arm toucher, leader while pointing or laughing, "most natural warm thing in the world" is what's in my head and she responds that way. Walking around at a market, lake, trail, cool area triggers the old PUA "familiarity" response IME.

Go to trendier chichi girly place for drinks NEVER sports bar, fern bar, burger joint, college joint, always adult place for adults, kind of crowded but never raucous and loud. Music like a piano is a plus, no guitar dude singing margaritaville though. Always sit at the bar. If she is feeling it, she will automatically sit close with legs touching. If I've done my job prior, this is a gimme.

What happens next is a matter of much much practice over years and would long to type. To summarize it involves lots of suggestion, stories, and personalized NLPish stuff without being out and out hypnosis, I think of it as "maximizing charisma." The point of it is NOT to "trick" or "manipulate" her, but 1. to work us BOTH up, me and her, and to create a sexual environment without ever mentioning anything overtly sexual; 2 to give her permission to feel that way and let her know subtly that it's safe to let go with me, I'm not the puppy dog type, a stalker, not going to make a big deal, I'm discrete and cool, I'm experienced... we both are, and may or may not choose to take the night to the next level, NBD if we do, NBD if we don't, no hurry, no worry, two adults getting off on time spent together. That is hugely important. I never get sl-t defenses or have to play the "take off one piece of clothing every 10 minutes" game any more as in the distant past. The key point is that your level of honest, respectful stimulation/passion is what flips her knobs and makes her feel safe (STF as opposed to DTF is my goal), not some "magic words" or "perfect line." It's almost all nonverbal helped along by verbal cues, and it's become such a part of my sexual persionality over the years that it's entirely sincere and honest... presented in the most favorable possible light.

When you are doing this last main part right, you will know it. They will jump you in a crowded well-lit place right in public. I've had them start pulling up their tops and showing their stomachs, sticking their tongue in my ear after half a drink right there at the bar, talking dirty in earshot of other folks... professional, educated women that make 250 a year LOL. That kind of response is just as good as actual sex IME, and makes all the effort over time worth it.

 

[GS750]

thanks dasein, all quality info. Repped ya.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

I agree with all of Espi's point. I would also like to add a few.

1. Avoid women who don't post full body pics even if she lists her body type as athletic. Hey, sumo wrestlers are athletes right?

2. Look through all her pics and find the worst one. Yep, that's her.

3. Use the search feature and limit results to women online within the last 3 weeks to 30 days. It is a waste of your time to message women who haven't been on in the past 30 days at a minimum.

4. Develop a seduction routine. I take every woman to the same bar that's 5 minutes away from my house for the first date. I can literally go on dates by walking down the street. If things are going well for the 2nd date I invite them to my place to "watch a movie."

5. Do not take women from online on dinner dates ever unless you've slept with her at least once. If you offer to buy drinks and she counters with dinner next her and go NC. Chances are you're getting used for a free dinner before she moves on to the next chump.

 

[Albatross953]

I always check for a collarbone in the head shot. Good, but not perfect way to avoid heavy girls.

 

[Big Nuts]

I use match.com and I always ask them out on the first email and in my experience usually only the most attractive ones seem to go for it. I'm specific about when and where I want to meet them, though. Your opener is very basic--which is a good thing, IMO--and I would be more specific as to the day and time and place you want to meet.

"You are attractive, and I want to meet you. Will you join me for a drink or two this Wednesday night at 8 at The Rusty Nail on 5th and Main? You're buying"

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