"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I've been practicing with online game lately, but I have encountered a problem. Could someone teach me how to get the situation from online to real life, and some things that I can use.


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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Ask them if they want to chat or text within 2 or 3 emails. If they flake then you haven't wasted your time telling them all your childhood stories and all that. Often they will be waiting for you to make the first move. After you establish rapport over text or chat, ask them out, during the first conversation. Then you can get an idea of what their interest level is. Some people who are online just want attention, and can go on exchanging emails forever. Waste of time.

What do you mean by, "things you can use"? Like openers? Strategies?
 
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omkara said:
Ask them if they want to chat or text within 2 or 3 emails. If they flake then you haven't wasted your time telling them all your childhood stories and all that. Often they will be waiting for you to make the first move. After you establish rapport over text or chat, ask them out, during the first conversation. Then you can get an idea of what their interest level is. Some people who are online just want attention, and can go on exchanging emails forever. Waste of time.

What do you mean by, "things you can use"? Like openers? Strategies?
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Yeah you can post some things that we can use openers and Strategies
 
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The best advice I can give is don't spend too much time chatting online. I always try to number close within 2-3 message exchanges.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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The Asian Lover said:
I enjoy chatting with you.

Let's meet for coffee.
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Awesome.

Coffeeshops and tattoo parlors are my favorite first time meet spots. They're well lit and bustling with people which keep you and her both feeling secure.

Never buy dinner on a first encounter. Coffee and a scone will set you back $10 at most and you can easily spread some dialogue together.
 
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Eh, from my experience, you can always tell the hot chicks online from the ugly ones... The hot ones are hesitant to meet up so quickly. Ive dated a lot of chicks this year as I was divorced in February, and 5 of those chicks that Ive dated thus far were from the internet. Going from email to "instant messenger" or whatever is the right idea... you can usually pull that off in just a few emails, but you will find that you must spend a bit more time on the "instant messenger" side before meeting up. I always prefer to go from email to facebook as fb has an instant messenger built in. This is good bc my fb page builds rapport... the chicks see that other hot chicks are writing on my wall, etc. That automatically sets a more comfortable mood. Then I go from fb to texting in just a few convos...

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The Asian Lover said:
I enjoy chatting with you.

Let's meet for coffee.
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You'll notice that this type of stuff, moving it on will seperate the chicks that want their online egos stroked from those that actually want to meet up.
 
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KarmaSutra said:
Awesome.

Coffeeshops and tattoo parlors are my favorite first time meet spots. They're well lit and bustling with people which keep you and her both feeling secure.

Never buy dinner on a first encounter. Coffee and a scone will set you back $10 at most and you can easily spread some dialogue together.
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Fo sure!

I shake my head when I hear of guys that spend over $100 on a first date. I won't take a girl out to the dinner unless she gives me a passionate kiss.
 
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scrouds said:
You'll notice that this type of stuff, moving it on will seperate the chicks that want their online egos stroked from those that actually want to meet up.
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Exactly!

There are a lot of attention *****s on online dating sites. Moving it to a coffee date right away screens them out and saves you time.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I should add that I've played around with this stuff before. Doesn't matter how long you stoke the online attention ho's ego, she won't go out. Could be one back and forth messaging, or a dozen. Soon as you move to bring it into the real world, she'll either stop responding or say no, flake, etc.

Also any chick that posts contact info on the free sites is either desperatly fat, a hooker, or spam.

In addition to coffee places (haven't done tattoo parlors, its not my scene) I'll also invite to a local bar for a beer.

What i've noticed is the best formula is this:

* Opening message
* Her response
* You respond
* She fires back
* You send coffee request
* Set up date/time

If they are responding quick, I usually get IM instead of coffee request and make sure to (or at least attempt) set up a date. Chances are you won't IM them again, and if so, you're steeply rolling down the hill.
 
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