mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
The dates are tuned to do things she wants to do.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Online dating experts, I need your help
- Thread starter bigdave17
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
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9 pages worth of hand jobs for BigDave17 here and he's asked ONE woman out for a date so far, WTF? I ask women out just about every single time there's a match. Max three messages before I tell her to meet (cuts out the game players, fake profiles etc). I don't sit there anal-yze anything before I meet her. Men have to play the numbers game so there's no time for that. After I meet her I decide if 1) she's a ONS 2) she's a FWB 3) LTR material and then proceed accordingly.
I've only had 3 decent women interested in me and I think I've sent out maybe 50-60 messages? The problem is the vast majority of my messages aren't even being read. I've had a few others interested but they were garbage
both my 2 main pics got a 7-7.6 on photofeeler for attractiveness. One got a 5.6 for trustworthy and other got a 9.5 for trust worthy
sazc
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PLEASE Max 3 exchanges!!
I've got some d1psh1t texting pictures of hump day camels, taco Tuesday food, asking if I'm a vegan, etc and he still hasn't pulled the trigger and asked for the meet.
I'm getting annoyed and considering ghosting
Do NOT drag messaging out. It gets booooorrriiiinnnggggg
devilkingx2
Master Don Juan
Then just ask him when y'all are gonna go get those tacos and if he's not a virgin he'll take it from there
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I agree, say something... sometimes women make it so hard for us, that when we have one in front of who's ready to make it easy, we miss the boat lol
my problem has been the lack of women interested. I just started talking to the italian chick and got a date out of it in a week.
both my main pics were a 7 to 7.6 on photofeeler. I guess i need pics that range in 9 to 10 range
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Nope you need ypur game to rise. Men who look worse than you clean up. The world will interact with you different when your consistently fvcking.
You've gotta be patient online. Just don't delete your profile and keep at it. You never know what may happen. Sometimes they message you back like a week later...
and take it one woman at a time dave. Practice and build with the ones you have while you try to get more. You wouldn't even be able to handle talking to 10 women at once, so why are you in a rush to have so many women after you
there is no game with online dating dude. Its all about pics
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
my ego makes me think i should have 20 women interested in me, lol
taiyuu_otoko
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sazc
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I'm not really interested. I didn't think I would be, but figured I'd give him the chance and maybe we would find a spark.
Taco Tuesday pictures and hump day camels as openers (instead of just trying to kick of a convo) yawn.....
Oh, and he made sure to confirm that I was an affectionate and passionate person, because he is, and he's looking for someone who also it. Translation: hey, you, complete stranger, do you like to fuk and be physical? Cuz I like to fuk and be physical, and I think it's appropriate to ask that to a stranger, before I even have met her to see if there is chemistry ...
Any port in the storm will do, apparently....
Don't think that way, because then you'll start asking yourself "why don't I have 20 women after me?" and that will turn ego into anxiety, and depression... women don't define us. The fact that women are part of what you consider something to have ego about, shows you think too much of them. It should just be something to do for fun and kill time, like a hobby. No pressure... finding your dream woman to marry is just a bonus if it happens
you have a million dudes messaging you, why bother if you're not interested?
is he a legit 9 to 10/10?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Alot of females are bypassing 9 and 10 guys because they want to be the attractive one in the relationship.
sazc
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No, he's a 6/7. I'm old enough to know not to base my dating life on looks alone. I even give room for body, as long as they aren't too far gone, and are heathy which that they will hold at their weight.
I extended my last post to include the mention that I have him a chance to see if maybe they're wild be a spark or connection.
Dave, Dave, Dave, quit kissing the mirror for a second and realize it matters little what your self inflated worth may be to your twisted lizard brain. We all realize you are a scared little man who has no game, delusional self image and little if any success in the world of women. Understand that your reek of desperation will permeate all interactions. And you will come up with some excuse to protect your fragile narcissistic ego when your dream girl rejects your fantasized romance. Be prepared fellow readers for pages of Dave generated denials and spin.
sazc
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And, unfortunately, my experience with that dynamic is that I end up with an insecure dude who self sabotages
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.