The plates get cleared and the silence lands like a brick. You can feel her waiting. Your brain offers up your commute, your job, the weather — topics that have ended more second dates than bad breath.
Here's what most guys never learn: women hand out free conversational material all night long. Tiny clues about what they actually want to discuss. Catch them and you never run out of things to say — because she's telling you what to say next.
Rule 4 of the "22 Rules" trains your ear to catch every single one.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Damn dude, you do know this relationship was not meant to be (for the long run) - It's all good though.Originally posted by Doug81
Yes, cavedweller, that works just fine. I'm 19 seeing a 36 year old women and I followed the steps like that almost to the book. She "hides" me from people like I'm her little secret. When it comes to older women, there is no "friend zone" because they know the drill. The either like you and talk to you or they don't it's that simple. There are no games. It's fun being a "special friend"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I agree up to the bored part. True, if she gets bored she'll move on but that's the same with all women. Understand that the latest fashion if for women to "date" younger guys. It's all about the excitement factor. If you aren't exciting, reconsider pursuing her because it could be a waste of time.Originally posted by cave dweller
Banging an older woman is all about 'friendship'.
The way to play it is: Become her friend first and then move to that next level, which is the 'special friend' status.
But ----when she gets bored with you she will move on.
cave dweller
I'm 24, I've banged two 35-year olds. Never once was there a "friend" stage.Originally posted by cave dweller
Banging an older woman is all about 'friendship'.
The way to play it is: Become her friend first and then move to that next level, which is the 'special friend' status.
But ----when she gets bored with you she will move on.
cave dweller
LOL! This worked for me on Saturday night. Like shooting a fish in a barrel.Originally posted by squirrels
Is she already showing signs of interest? If so, just go Gunwitch on her.Women at that age have less hang-ups about sex.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Banging an OLD woman, might be more about friendship, but not just an OLDER woman. What, you mean she will put up with wuss behavior from a 24 year old, but not from a 32 year old? Come on guys. At best she'll think its cute, and will rationalize the afc behavior as part of the guy being a little too young for her.Originally posted by cave dweller
Banging an older woman is all about 'friendship'.
The way to play it is: Become her friend first and then move to that next level, which is the 'special friend' status.
But ----when she gets bored with you she will move on.
cave dweller