"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Hey guy's back for a little help with this one?

Now the thing is. Me 20 Her 31.
Backround: We train togther, Martial arts, Gymnastics and Weights. Oh she is also some what my personal trainer.
We fooled around one night after the bar, still talk all the time and hang out whenever we can.

Now is there any tips out there for hitting on oldder more matture women. She is very hot. Looks like she is 24 ish.
How can i work this and win out in the long run guys?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Vincent

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Perhaps the men in mature men could help ya out a little better than us.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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How does she seem different from a woman that's younger?
 

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Originally posted by returnofsoccerstar
Hey guy's back for a little help with this one?

Now the thing is. Me 20 Her 31.
Backround: We train togther, Martial arts, Gymnastics and Weights. Oh she is also some what my personal trainer.
We fooled around one night after the bar, still talk all the time and hang out whenever we can.

Now is there any tips out there for hitting on oldder more matture women. She is very hot. Looks like she is 24 ish.
How can i work this and win out in the long run guys?
She's obviously attracted to you since you already "fooled around" (whatever that means, exactly). My advice would be to behave or do whatever you did "after the bar".
 

Eileen

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How can you win this one? Stop thinking of her as an age. She's just a woman. If you're focused on the age difference, she'll focus there too. If you don't, she'll get past it.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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