Old Age advice vs New Age advice

[Bokanovsky]

The new age advice is mostly about "Looksmaxxing" and while I don't agree with some of the crap i.e. druge use, putting a hammer to your face, steriods. Society has become far more shallow, I mean it's always been shallow but 20 years ago a woman who was a 5 knew her place, now even 5's want guys who are 10s. So there has been a HUGE emphasis on guys getting jacked, grooming etc

One of the reasons while male looks are much more important now than in the past is the fact that women are less financially dependent on men. In more patriarchal societies, a man’s looks are far less important.

 

[CornbreadFed]

One of the reasons while male looks are much more important now than in the past is the fact that women are less financially dependent on men. In more patriarchal societies, a man’s looks are far less important.

Where are these patriarchal societies you speak of? Of all the countries I have been to, American Men look the worst on average.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Where are these patriarchal societies you speak of? Of all the countries I have been to, American Men look the worst on average.

All the poor, non-touristy countries you haven't been, where 80% of the world's population resides. You know, countries like Guatemala, Congo, India, etc.

 

[CornbreadFed]

All the poor, non-touristy countries you haven't been, where 80% of the world's population resides. You know, countries like Guatemala, Congo, India, etc.

I have been to Guatemala and India, and the dating dynamics are pretty similar to here. The guys only look worse on average because we are looking at them through a first-world lens. Take that away, and the dynamics are pretty similar to here. Furthermore, the beautiful third-world passport princess the manosphere loves to over-romanticize is a peasant girl with peasant features like rotten teeth, skin conditions, a sex work history, scars, nutritional deficiencies, and etc.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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Whether new age or old age, if the "I have a boyfriend" shiit meant anything, there wouldn't be a such thing as cheating, would it?

2 pages (and counting) of simple shiit turned into a complicated, overanalyzed mess.

 

[Bigpapa]

The new age advice is mostly about "Looksmaxxing" and while I don't agree with some of the crap i.e. druge use, putting a hammer to your face, steriods. Society has become far more shallow, I mean it's always been shallow but 20 years ago a woman who was a 5 knew her place, now even 5's want guys who are 10s. So there has been a HUGE emphasis on guys getting jacked, grooming etc

women that are bellow average and thinking that they are hot is mainly a mix of make-up ( the art of make-up increased exponentially in the last 5 years . You can be a 3 and without enough make-up you can look like an 8 )

and because men became super thirsty, especially when it comes to low smv women

 

[characternote]

Old age advice was essentially selling the idea that her attraction is entirely in your control. If one is ever rejected by a girl it just means (and only means) your 'game' wasn't good enough. If you are 75 and obese and the stunning little 19 year old girl rejects you, it's a 'game' issue. Not a looks or age issue or whatever. That would be called a 'limiting belief'. You simply need to 'create attraction' (buy my course on how to do this). Depending on whose old school model you used, that could mean negging her. Or telling DHV stories. Or using canned NLP seduction patterns. For Slightly more modern PUA's it would be 'teasing' her, maybe cold reads and just being 'free from outcome' in general etc

It was always a load of nonsense tbh, but it wasn't until youtube came along, amongst other things, where sharp eyes were slowly able to see that the coaches themselves couldn't achieve this miracle. And people were slowly able to spot patterns over thousands of infields. Namely that pulls were always on the 'yes girls'. Girls who were basically into it at 'hi', and the success was in spite of their routines of whatever. Not because of it. Out of maybe 10,000 infields that have been released, we've basically never seen a pull on a hard 'no girl', despite the fact that for the original PUA model to be true, we should have thousands of them! We should have endless infields...thousands(!) where some very ugly, old guy approaches a 10/10 stunner who ignores him and tells her she has a BF. He says 'how long have you had that problem?!' or 'I've got a gold fish....sorry, I thought we were talking about things that didn't matter' or one of many cheesy PUA lines, then negged her etc etc, and then she starts trying to seduce HIM due to her insane attraction levels lol.

I remember Julien joyfully sharing an infield where he was able to make a clear 'no girl' who was basically ignoring him, say a few words back too him. That was all he got out of her. No lay. No kiss. Nothing. And he clearly thought that was a big acchievment which kind of underline how likely it is that one is actually going to BANG a 'no girl' lol. If we are celebrating getting her to say a few polite words!

Luckily the community has MOSTLY gotten away from that disney thinking, although there are actually still some forums and sub reddits where some unfortunate saps are still hanging onto that idea (Mostly people who are selling coaching of course. So they don't actually believe what they are even saying! There's no integrity when it comes to making lots of money lol)

Nowadays though, most people know that her telling you she has a BF means either 1/ she does have a boyfriend, or 2/She is lying about having one so that you go away since she's not attracted to you, and nothing you can say will change that lol

The general 'model' of PUA nowadays is much more concentrated on being your best self (getting lean is the most popular one. Also dressing better, getting your money up etc) and then essentially playing the numbers game. No real 'rules' as such in terms of what to say etc.