"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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okay i have learned a vauable lesson

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women are utterly worthless for anything other than cooking, cleaning and having sex.
i will never try to make a woman a friend again. lol
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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And raising babies too. Even though I would argue that most do not do as good of a job as they should, they still have that nurturing/patience for kids that men dont have.

In principle, the three things you mentioned are what girls are good for. But look around. How many are actually GOOD at these? Especially the cooking and cleaning! The sexual liberation of women has lead them astray from these fundamentals, but at least they are still good for sex (maybe too good that now we have to worry about cathing stds from them).
 

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backbreaker said:
women are utterly worthless for anything other than cooking, cleaning and having sex.
i will never try to make a woman a friend again. lol

What happened?
 

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backbreaker said:
okay i have learned a vauable lesson
I see it's not spelling or correct capitalization.

Is this going to be another one of your 5 page long whiney rants, is it?
 

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Man what happened to you? I remember you used to give pretty solid advice (definitely helped me out), then hooked up with some older chick (and had a kid, right?) and now I've been seeing some lame posts ... no offense.

I've met a (few) really cool ass chicks with some serious brains. Granted there's always some level of sexual tension if you're not fvcking (or have fvcked), but that's unavoidable.

That said I'm not really "friends" with any of them, aka I don't go out with em to shoot the sh!t like I do with my guy friends, but if I was put in a situation with one I wouldn't mind having some good convo and a few laughs.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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That said I'm not really "friends" with any of them
Then it doesn't really apply, does it?

I'm skeptical about the whole concept of opposite genders as "friends". I'm sure it's possible but I think it's very rare. Either at least one side is secretly harboring feelings. or they are fvck buddies, and in neither case are they really "friends".
 

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muscleman said:
No you can't really be friends with the opposite sex for all sorts of reasons. "Friendship" with the opposite sex results from one of the following:

1) One of you is gay.
2) You're business partners.
3) It's a sibling/relative.
4) One of you is LJBF'd but keeps on hoping.
This pretty much puts a nail in the coffin of the 'friends' argument. Good post.
 

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muscleman said:
Man what happened to you? I remember you used to give pretty solid advice (definitely helped me out), then hooked up with some older chick (and had a kid, right?) and now I've been seeing some lame posts ... no offense.

I've met a (few) really cool ass chicks with some serious brains. Granted there's always some level of sexual tension if you're not fvcking (or have fvcked), but that's unavoidable.

That said I'm not really "friends" with any of them, aka I don't go out with em to shoot the sh!t like I do with my guy friends, but if I was put in a situation with one I wouldn't mind having some good convo and a few laughs.
what i have found out is that when i'm not interested in ****ing a woman, she isn't as interesting, cool, smart or 'unique' as I made that person out to be. and when that dynamic is out the window, and I'm holding that person to firend standards... and they can't throw the sex card at me, it doesn't and wont' last.



i'm just going through a phase. I'm still young and i'm learning, the hard way

part of me always wanted and wants to be the person that has a 400 number phone book and has his phone jumping with people wanting to do things.

it's not a sex thing. it's really not. I"m just finding that what I want and reality are two different things.

I don't have as many friends as I would like to have, and because speed dawg has a probelm with my rants I won't get into it... but I have to look at some things and how I spend my time and who I spend my time with.

My GF never really said anything, I don't think she cared either way, but she had this smirk on her face when my "friend" started calling me, like "i know something you don't, and you are going to have to find out yourself" smirk.

oh well. some areas I know my game is tight in, but i'm not perfect, nor do I profess to be.
 

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Is that the same woman you used as an example not so long ago to lecture us immature guys on how men and women can be friends? :p
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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the worst part about it is that it actually isn't. lol.

i cut ties wih her and iu never called anyone immature, that was just my point of view at the time. it's changed

no, i'll just lay it out there, **** it. the girl that has brought me here 7ish years ago recently got married, i sent her a contraglations email, and we started sending emails back and forth, then she started calling me, etc. I'm thinking hey, this is working out pretty well. i dont' want her, hell I actualy LIKE her husband.

so this is what went down. she has like this 92 lexus, it's a pretty nice car for what it is. my little brother's car broke down about 2 weeks ago and he's in college, i was thinkign about buying it for him. he'/d ave no problem getting ass in that car for his age. very clean.

anyway, i'm toying around with the idea. i talk to her, if I am to buy it, i'd pay this much. blah blah. so, I call my little brother to tellh im the good news, to find out that my dad had like, just like 2 hours before, bought him like an 04 4 runner. I'm like okay, nevermind.

so later that day, she has told her husband that i was going to buy the car, and within no more than 2 hours, has a bank loan approved for the car and everything. it's like an 02 mercedes jeep she wanted, like a 10k car and buys the car, sends me pictures and everything.

I try try tio tell her babe. I never said yes, go buy a damn car. she KNEW i was go9ing to send her 3 grand (what iw as going to pay for the car) and she actually banked on that and emptieed their savings account.

so, now i'm a worthless, selfish ******* and she's emailing me like 5 times a day telling me how broke she is and who she can't get to work because she has no gas money and everything


and this is ALL my fault. now, damn my little brother, i should just "keep my word" and stop being so selfish.

and the sad thing is, back in the days when I wantef to **** her, i'd drop the 3 grand, and she knew good and damn well i would and would have been happy to. that to me is childish immature behavior. grown people dont' do **** like that.

hell, even if I did say I wouyld send you the money, hwo the **** goes and buys a new car without money in hand? that's stupid.

my GF thinks it's the funniest **** on earth. amd
 

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Bible_Belt said:
Honestly, I really don't think they're very good at cooking.
my GF can make the hell out of mexican chicken. and a nice ham sammich. but that's it really. not the best of cooks. well she can cook but she's britsh and she cooks **** i dont' eat.

unless it's breakfast food which you can't **** up, I cook my own food for the most part
 

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Well, that is awesome, that you think and announce that ALL women are utterly worthless for anything other than cooking, cleaning and having sex because of one dumb b!tch that YOU used to have oneitis for.

You've been real conversational lately.

You ever heard of that one John Wayne quote?

"talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much" or something. You are looking like a butt lately, my friend.
 

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iqqi said:
Well, that is awesome, that you think and announce that ALL women are utterly worthless for anything other than cooking, cleaning and having sex because of one dumb b!tch that YOU used to have oneitis for.

You've been real conversational lately.

You ever heard of that one John Wayne quote?

"talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much" or something. You are looking like a butt lately, my friend.
case in point













































jk
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Bible_Belt said:
Honestly, I really don't think they're very good at cooking.
Aww- thats' cruel ...most cook way better than they f**k.
And most of them do know that the way to a man's stomach is though his mouth.
 

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backbreaker said:
my GF can make the hell out of mexican chicken. and a nice ham sammich. but that's it really. not the best of cooks. well she can cook but she's britsh and she cooks **** i dont' eat.

unless it's breakfast food which you can't **** up, I cook my own food for the most part
She's British and you are from AK? So how do y'all have a convo ? :crazy:

OH BTW, I have eaten British food just once - jeez, no wonder they lost their Empire.

BB, your situation is a classic example of poor choices, your management of other folks problems might look like generosity to some, but it was really interference masquerading as "helping ".
IF you want a clear indication of the wisdom or otherwise of your generous efforts, just look at the eventual outcome.

BB, I think that your people pleasing demon is still alive and active.
 

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you are 100% correct.

I don't think I was necessarirly wrong but I hold myself accountable beucase i shouild not have been in the position in the first place

i am a people pleaser. as i stated in another thread, while I do have my GF that i am crazy about, I do work from home, and to be qhite honest, my social life is not what i want it to be. thenw hen I do go out it' susually to an AA meeting where you are meeting people who arent' right for the msot part. sometjhing has to change, becuase under normal circumstances i wiould not be in this posiiton to have this happen.

i just want some damn friends:cry:
 

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muscleman said:
Got any social hobbies? If not, time to find one. I lift a lot and have met some people I'm building long-term friendships with at the gym.

What about your GF? Her friends? Gotta be some guys you can click with there ...
I lift 6 days a week but i have a very nice setup at home so I dont go to the gym

I go the track 4-5 days a week, on my way there now actually (Breeders cup)
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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