Observations on Phoenix's Scene

[Clockwerk50]

@GoodMan32 lives in Arizona as well. You guys should hook him up.

 

[SW15]

@GoodMan32 lived in Arizona as well.

He has learned about the Phoenix scene from reading this thread and participating on it.

I have written this thread more from past experiences living there and my occasional visits there since moving away.

 

[Clockwerk50]

He has learned about the Phoenix scene from reading this thread and participating on it.

I have written this thread more from past experiences living there and my occasional visits there since moving away.

He needs you to be physically there for him...

 

[SW15]

He needs you to be physically there for him...

Men need to learn to fend for themselves at some point with seduction.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Men need to learn to fend for themselves at some point with seduction.

His sexual health depends of you @SW15

 

[SW15]

His sexual health depends of you @SW15

No, it does not.

Multiple forum posters have helped him with concepts of seduction. He has some work to do on mindset as well.

This Phoenix Scene thread might also help him with venues.

In another thread, @BeExcellent gave him an assignment involving some venues in Metro Phoenix that haven't been mentioned on this thread. One of the venues existed when I was there but I never went to it. I didn't go to that venue because it wasn't my scene as a then 20 something guy seeking 20 something women. The other one wasn't around when I was around.

The idea that rejection is nothing personal

You really cannot because we are all human at the end of the day. Even rejections that builds us up is hard to take in. If you tell me that being rejected does not phase you then I know you are lying to me. No because I do not like being told that I am unattractive/undatable by women that I...

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My first reaction to @BeExcellent 's assignment for him was that it was a decent assignment.

While I might have structured the assignment differently, @BeExcellent explained her thought process well with the assignment.

@GoodMan32 does need to go out some more in Metro Phoenix. He could do either daygame or nightgame options.

Grocery store game could be an easy option for him. He could try some approaches at some of the grocery stores listed in that post I made.

 

[Clockwerk50]

No, it does not.

Multiple forum posters have helped him with concepts of seduction. He has some work to do on mindset as well.

This Phoenix Scene thread might also help him with venues.

In another thread, @BeExcellent gave him an assignment involving some venues in Metro Phoenix that haven't been mentioned on this thread. One of the venues existed when I was there but I never went to it. I didn't go to that venue because it wasn't my scene as a then 20 something guy seeking 20 something women. The other one wasn't around when I was around.

The idea that rejection is nothing personal

You really cannot because we are all human at the end of the day. Even rejections that builds us up is hard to take in. If you tell me that being rejected does not phase you then I know you are lying to me. No because I do not like being told that I am unattractive/undatable by women that I...

www.sosuave.net

My first reaction to @BeExcellent 's assignment for him was that it was a decent assignment.

While I might have structured the assignment differently, @BeExcellent explained her thought process well with the assignment.

@GoodMan32 does need to go out some more in Metro Phoenix. He could do either daygame or nightgame options.

Grocery store game could be an easy option for him. He could try some approaches at some of the grocery stores listed in that post I made.

I was being half serious and half joking, but I’m sure he would appreciate it if you took him under your wing. He would be even happy being @We_ArE_VeNOM sidekick lol

 

[SW15]

I was being half serious and half joking, but I’m sure he would appreciate it if you took him under your wing. He would be even happy being @We_ArE_VeNOM sidekick lol

@We_ArE_VeNOM is local to him. They seem to have very different seduction styles. @We_ArE_VeNOM is strong with Mode One, direct game. @We_ArE_VeNOM is more advanced on game.

I'm excited to see what @We_ArE_VeNOM has to say about some specific grocery store where he has approached.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@We_ArE_VeNOM is local to him. They seem to have very different seduction styles. @We_ArE_VeNOM is strong with Mode One, direct game. @We_ArE_VeNOM is more advanced on game.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/observations-on-phoenixs-scene.273793/post-3157646

Indirect vs Direct = impending collision.

Two opposing views.

Like Capitalism vs Communism .

I'm excited to see what @We_ArE_VeNOM has to say about some specific grocery store where he has approached.

Specific like what, amigo?

 

[GoodMan32]

I'm not sure how much having a forum poster as a wingman would help anyway.

As a former member has pointed out before, no one (or at least hardly anyone) on this forum has experience with my particular niche: Pursuing a much older woman.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I'm not sure how much having a forum poster as a wingman would help anyway.

As a former member has pointed out before, no one (or at least hardly anyone) on this forum has experience with my particular niche: Pursuing a much older woman.

Let me introduce you to @We_ArE_VeNOM, there isn’t an older woman in Arizona who is safe from his sexual prowess

 

[SW15]

the two Fry's (Southern/Mills Ave, Southern/Rural, and the Walmart), that's a different story.

Specific like what, amigo?

Why are those two Fry's location and that one Walmart in Tempe good for approaching? Do they draw in Arizona State students? The 2 Fry's locations are a little further from campus but not unreasonably so.

As a former member has pointed out before, no one (or at least hardly anyone) on this forum has experience with my particular niche: Pursuing a much older woman.

It's a highly unusual niche for a man in his mid-30s to be pursuing.

It's understandable when a younger guy does it. Late teens through mid-20s guys doing it is somewhat expected. That's also the age that 40-55 year old women want on the less common occasions when they go younger.

A 33-36 year old man is older than a lot of single women out there. Most 33-36 year old men are looking for women near their own ages (slightly younger) or substantially younger (8+ years).

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Why are those two Fry's location and that one Walmart in Tempe good for approaching? Do they draw in Arizona State students? The 2 Fry's locations are a little further from campus but not unreasonably so.

Oh, good question.

I don't know, honestly.

Although I don't think the proximity to ASU is a factor, considering my approaches and visuals have been of mostly older women...and no, not senior older , but older than college age, older.

However, my favorite spots, approaches, and sightings in the West Valley can be attributed to the fact that the area(s) have a higher population of Black women, which is what I fancy the most.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Let me introduce you to @We_ArE_VeNOM, there isn’t an older woman in Arizona who is safe from his sexual prowess

You're on a roll, huh?

 

[SW15]

However, my favorite spots, approaches, and sightings in the West Valley can be attributed to the fact that the area(s) have a higher population of Black women, which is what I fancy the most.

When I made my tiers list of grocery stores for pickup options on the previous, it was inherently biased towards my preference for fit/slender White women on the younger side. That's why I listed S Tier/A Tier options near Arizona State and Old Town Scottsdale.

If I were someone really into Hispanic women (possibly a Hispanic male), I might be listing some Food City locations in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods as my S Tier/A Tier.

West Valley is good for both Black and Hispanic women.

Maricopa County is only ~6% Black so finding Black women is more challenging.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Maricopa County is only ~6% Black so finding Black women is more challenging.

They are mostly south and southwest of downtown but I think the entire west and south sides are untapped simply because there's less to do along with less status-conscious women (of all races).

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

If I were someone really into Hispanic women (possibly a Hispanic male), I might be listing some Food City locations in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods as my S Tier/A Tier.

I can't tell you the last time I stepped foot into a Food City.

The good thing about Walmart is, it is diverse...so you get your fair share of all races.

West Valley is good for both Black and Hispanic women.

Maricopa County is only ~6% Black so finding Black women is more challenging.

Facts.

But I must say, that 6% is enough to keep me satisfied.

 

[SW15]

Facts.

But I must say, that 6% is enough to keep me satisfied.

Phoenix isn't the first place that someone thinks about for Black men dating/having sex with Black women.

Memphis, Atlanta, New Orleans, Baltimore, and Washington DC are examples of US metros with a much higher percentage of Black residents.

It's great you've done well with that 6% of the local area population. You know where that 6% tends to go in real life.

They are mostly south and southwest of downtown but I think the entire west and south sides are untapped simply because there's less to do along with less status-conscious women (of all races).

In my time in Phoenix, I do not recall ever trying to seduce in the West Valley (west of Interstate 17).

There's more opportunity in the West Valley than there was in the 2000s-early 2010s.

There are some spots now around State Farm Stadium (home of the Cardinals football team). I'm not sure if those venues would be good for pickup. While that stadium opened while I was still there, it was still a newer stadium when I was there. The bars near that stadium might be more sausage fest bars for before/after games.

I was ignoring the west and south sides mostly based on a lack of things to do and a lack of the main demographic that I targeted while I was there.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Phoenix isn't the first place that someone thinks about for Black men dating/having sex with Black women.

Of course not.

Memphis, Atlanta, New Orleans, Baltimore, and Washington DC are examples of US metros with a much higher percentage of Black residents.

Along with Detroit, Chicago, Gary, and St. Louis.

It's great you've done well with that 6% of the local area population. You know where that 6% tends to go in real life.

Certain areas of the Southside, and the West are densely populated anyway...and the rest of that 6% are spread out enough to whereas there is never a shortage of Black sistas, no matter where I go.

I make bank at the Walmarts on..

35th Ave & Southern
75th Ave & McDowell
59th Ave & Northern

The problem is, I live in Chandler (which is cool ), but damn, those spots are 25-30 miles from where I reside.

However, I have enough on this side of the valley to keep me content.

I was ignoring the west and south sides mostly based on a lack of things to do and a lack of the main demographic that I targeted while I was there.

Basically, "The quality of the women on the South and in the West are poor, and I wouldn't be caught dead in either".

 

[SW15]

I live in Chandler (which is cool )

Chandler is a decent place. It's a bit too suburban for my taste.

I barely spent any time in Chandler when I lived there.

Basically, "The quality of the women on the South and in the West are poor, and I wouldn't be caught dead in either".

That's a good way of capturing how I felt at the time.

I have an example.

Many years ago in Phoenix, there was a nightclub called Hurricane Bay. It was located at 43rd Avenue and Bell Road.

It had enough of an audience to keep it open for over a decade until it closed in 2013. I recall a time or two in the mid-2000s thinking about whether or not I should check the place out. I never did because I didn't think it was worth my time to check out something in the West Valley scene.

North Phoenix Dance Club Hurricane Bay Closes

West Valley clubgoers now have one less place where they can get their drink and dance on, as Hurricane Bay Nightclub apparently is no longer in business. And we use the word "apparently" because for all intents and purposes, it appears that the North Phoenix nightspot shuttered within the past...

www.phoenixnewtimes.com

I instead focused my time on nightlife venues in Old Town Scottsdale and Tempe.