Clockwerk50
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@GoodMan32 lives in Arizona as well. You guys should hook him up.
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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
He has learned about the Phoenix scene from reading this thread and participating on it.@GoodMan32 lived in Arizona as well.
He needs you to be physically there for him...He has learned about the Phoenix scene from reading this thread and participating on it.
I have written this thread more from past experiences living there and my occasional visits there since moving away.
Men need to learn to fend for themselves at some point with seduction.He needs you to be physically there for him...
His sexual health depends of you @SW15Men need to learn to fend for themselves at some point with seduction.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
No, it does not.His sexual health depends of you @SW15![]()
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I was being half serious and half joking, but I’m sure he would appreciate it if you took him under your wing. He would be even happy being @We_ArE_VeNOM sidekick lolNo, it does not.
Multiple forum posters have helped him with concepts of seduction. He has some work to do on mindset as well.
This Phoenix Scene thread might also help him with venues.
In another thread, @BeExcellent gave him an assignment involving some venues in Metro Phoenix that haven't been mentioned on this thread. One of the venues existed when I was there but I never went to it. I didn't go to that venue because it wasn't my scene as a then 20 something guy seeking 20 something women. The other one wasn't around when I was around.
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The idea that rejection is nothing personal
You really cannot because we are all human at the end of the day. Even rejections that builds us up is hard to take in. If you tell me that being rejected does not phase you then I know you are lying to me. No because I do not like being told that I am unattractive/undatable by women that I...www.sosuave.net
My first reaction to @BeExcellent 's assignment for him was that it was a decent assignment.
While I might have structured the assignment differently, @BeExcellent explained her thought process well with the assignment.
@GoodMan32 does need to go out some more in Metro Phoenix. He could do either daygame or nightgame options.
Grocery store game could be an easy option for him. He could try some approaches at some of the grocery stores listed in that post I made.
@We_ArE_VeNOM is local to him. They seem to have very different seduction styles. @We_ArE_VeNOM is strong with Mode One, direct game. @We_ArE_VeNOM is more advanced on game.I was being half serious and half joking, but I’m sure he would appreciate it if you took him under your wing. He would be even happy being @We_ArE_VeNOM sidekick lol
Indirect vs Direct = impending collision.@We_ArE_VeNOM is local to him. They seem to have very different seduction styles. @We_ArE_VeNOM is strong with Mode One, direct game. @We_ArE_VeNOM is more advanced on game.
https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/observations-on-phoenixs-scene.273793/post-3157646
Specific like what, amigo?I'm excited to see what @We_ArE_VeNOM has to say about some specific grocery store where he has approached.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Let me introduce you to @We_ArE_VeNOM, there isn’t an older woman in Arizona who is safe from his sexual prowessI'm not sure how much having a forum poster as a wingman would help anyway.
As a former member has pointed out before, no one (or at least hardly anyone) on this forum has experience with my particular niche: Pursuing a much older woman.
the two Fry's (Southern/Mills Ave, Southern/Rural, and the Walmart), that's a different story.![]()
Why are those two Fry's location and that one Walmart in Tempe good for approaching? Do they draw in Arizona State students? The 2 Fry's locations are a little further from campus but not unreasonably so.Specific like what, amigo?
It's a highly unusual niche for a man in his mid-30s to be pursuing.As a former member has pointed out before, no one (or at least hardly anyone) on this forum has experience with my particular niche: Pursuing a much older woman.
Oh, good question.Why are those two Fry's location and that one Walmart in Tempe good for approaching? Do they draw in Arizona State students? The 2 Fry's locations are a little further from campus but not unreasonably so.
You're on a roll, huh?Let me introduce you to @We_ArE_VeNOM, there isn’t an older woman in Arizona who is safe from his sexual prowess

When I made my tiers list of grocery stores for pickup options on the previous, it was inherently biased towards my preference for fit/slender White women on the younger side. That's why I listed S Tier/A Tier options near Arizona State and Old Town Scottsdale.However, my favorite spots, approaches, and sightings in the West Valley can be attributed to the fact that the area(s) have a higher population of Black women, which is what I fancy the most.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
They are mostly south and southwest of downtown but I think the entire west and south sides are untapped simply because there's less to do along with less status-conscious women (of all races).Maricopa County is only ~6% Black so finding Black women is more challenging.
I can't tell you the last time I stepped foot into a Food City.If I were someone really into Hispanic women (possibly a Hispanic male), I might be listing some Food City locations in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods as my S Tier/A Tier.
West Valley is good for both Black and Hispanic women.
Facts.Maricopa County is only ~6% Black so finding Black women is more challenging.
Phoenix isn't the first place that someone thinks about for Black men dating/having sex with Black women.Facts.
But I must say, that 6% is enough to keep me satisfied.
In my time in Phoenix, I do not recall ever trying to seduce in the West Valley (west of Interstate 17).They are mostly south and southwest of downtown but I think the entire west and south sides are untapped simply because there's less to do along with less status-conscious women (of all races).
Of course not.Phoenix isn't the first place that someone thinks about for Black men dating/having sex with Black women.
Along with Detroit, Chicago, Gary, and St. Louis.Memphis, Atlanta, New Orleans, Baltimore, and Washington DC are examples of US metros with a much higher percentage of Black residents.
Certain areas of the Southside, and the West are densely populated anyway...and the rest of that 6% are spread out enough to whereas there is never a shortage of Black sistas, no matter where I go.It's great you've done well with that 6% of the local area population. You know where that 6% tends to go in real life.
Basically, "The quality of the women on the South and in the West are poor, and I wouldn't be caught dead in either".I was ignoring the west and south sides mostly based on a lack of things to do and a lack of the main demographic that I targeted while I was there.
Chandler is a decent place. It's a bit too suburban for my taste.I live in Chandler (which is cool)
That's a good way of capturing how I felt at the time.Basically, "The quality of the women on the South and in the West are poor, and I wouldn't be caught dead in either".
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.