Observations on Dallas' Scene

[SW15]

Online dating world has ruined, RUINED, any natural human connection, and the ego of women. Even if they know they are past their primes. I often thought of going to those types of places to get a little easy cougar p*s, but it ain't worth it. Too many women acting like they are 16 again just cause their Tinder has 100+ guys.

This is an interesting point of view.

Sambuca has had the reputation of being a place where horny, motivated divorced women go to seek new penis.

It's possible that with the rise of swipe apps and social media DMs that middle aged divorced women are less motivated to go to a place like Sambuca to find some new penis. Many of the late 30s/early 40s women that would typically go to Sambuca aren't going as much anymore because they can hop on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge and have 100+ guys as compared to going to Sambuca where they might meet 5-10 guys. No nightlife venue can compare on quantity with the big swipe apps. Additionally, many of these women are also receiving DMs on their social media platforms. This mainly happens on Instagram, but can happen on others. This depends on how active she is on the various social media platforms.

I think it's possible that the women who actually show up to a place like Sambuca are accustomed to seeing hundreds of options on their smartphone. Many of them have forgotten about what it's like to be touching concrete and in the real world. The ones that might be open to human connection are the ones that have gotten out of a long relationship/marriage, haven't used swipe apps, and aren't very active on social media.

The female crowd at Sambuca was sparse that night. The fewer ~40 year old women that were present in the bar were acting like they were 21-25 year olds in their primes.

 

[SW15]

Race/Ethnicity and Dating in Dallas

This post is inspired by @MatureDJ and his most recent race/ethnicity thread below. That thread included a video with some city analysis. I thought it would be interesting to apply the city analysis to Dallas specifically, something that is not done in the video. I have copied the video URL to start at the part of city-based analysis (see 2nd link)

video: How Your Race Affects Your Dating Life as a Man

Being an unfavorable ethnicity can be the equivalent of being approximately 2"-9" shorter

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City of Dallas race/ethnicity stats are below. Note that Dallas County's race stats look similar to Dallas because Dallas is the majority of Dallas County's population. The inner ring suburbs in Dallas County like Garland, Irving, Carrollton, and Richardson are not populated enough to change the overall look of Dallas County as compared to Dallas. Suburban Collin County has a different racial/ethnic composition.

Dallas - Wikipedia

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Dallas has a Hispanic plurality. The two largest racial/ethnic groups in Dallas are Hispanics at 42% and Whites at 28%.

Hispanic and White dating in Dallas are somewhat segregated. Hispanics and Whites tend to live in different neighborhoods in Dallas and go out to different venues when they try to meet people in real life. Tech-based dating methods have also started a lot of interactions and that's not unique to Dallas.

In the years that I have lived in Dallas, I have tended to spend time in mainly White neighborhoods in Dallas. A lot of the experiences I've shared across threads on this forum are about dating mainly bougie White women. White neighborhoods in the urban core of Dallas tend to have more White women who have bachelor's degrees or higher (what I call bougie).

Could I do better in a city that is over 50% White as compared to Dallas' 28% White people?

A 28% White population in Dallas is equivalent to 370,000 White people in the city of Dallas. If my dating pool expanded to White people in Dallas County, that takes my number to 725,000 White people. That's a good number of White people. Most women I've met in mating interactions have lived in Dallas and not Dallas County inner ring suburbs.

Omaha, Nebraska is 62% White on a population of around 490,000. That's 303,000 White people. Omaha would make a compelling case on numbers alone. However, there's an earlier marriage culture in Omaha. I'm still more likely as a 40+ male in Dallas to find a single, childless, 30+ White woman (a more likely dating prospect) in Dallas as compared to Omaha.

Salt Lake City, Utah/Salt Lake County Utah might be interesting. Salt Lake County is 71% White and has more overall Whites than Dallas County. However, most Whites in Salt Lake County Utah are suburban Whites in families. Many would be culturally Mormon and married women. The divorced women in Salt Lake County would likely be single moms. I don't think the raw number of Whites in Utah would give me a dating advantage over Dallas/Dallas County in Texas.

In Dallas, I am somewhat attracted to Hispanic women. I've had sex with Hispanic women in Dallas. Fewer of my interactions are with Hispanic women in Dallas since I don't tend to spend most of my time in venues with Hispanic women or greatly pursue Hispanic women. I am likely considered more attractive by White women in Dallas than Hispanic women in Dallas.

 

[GoodMan32]

Venue Review: Katy Trail Ice House and Katy Trail Ice House Outpost

Katy Trail Ice House

This post will mainly focus on the Katy Trail Ice House, which I mentioned above in the review of Happiest Hour.

Katy Trail Ice House: The best patio and burgers in Dallas, Texas.

We are your premier destination for an unforgettable dining and entertainment experience, featuring a diverse menu that spans Seafood, including traditional Seafood Boils , Cajun , American , Mexican , and Italian cuisines.

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The Katy Trail Ice House describes itself as an Austin style beer garden in Dallas. The phrase "Austin style" should be a warning that it will stink. Austin is the worst mating environment in all of Texas. Austin is an SJW/feminist hotbed and that has ruined the environment there.

The Katy Trail Ice House was a near instant success when it opened in March 2011. The Katy Trail runs through Uptown Dallas and Uptown was near its peak as a yuppie urban neighborhood in 2011. Even though the Katy Trail Ice House has done well as a business for 12+ years, that does not mean that it is a good place to attract and seduce women.

The biggest problem with the Katy Trail Ice House is its design. The majority of the square footage of the place is located in its outdoor patio area with long tables. The outdoor patio area is supposed to look awesome to passers by of the nearby Katy Trail, which is Dallas' most popular walking/jogging path. The Katy Trail Ice House is located right alongside the Katy Trail.

The outdoor patio area might be more awesome if it weren't just a bunch of long tables. The long tables are good for large social groups but quite bad for new people mingling. On the outdoor patio area, mostly everyone keeps to themselves with their pre-existing social group. The Katy Trail Ice House might facilitate a social circle introduction on the patio on a nice weather day or evening.

There is an indoor area at The Katy Trail Ice House. It is also mainly longer tables with mostly people sitting. Very little mingling between groups indoors as well. There's not much standing room either for walking around and talking.

While The Katy Trail Ice House is mostly known for beer, it is possible to get other drinks there. They serve liquor-based mixed drinks and wine too.

Food is served too. It's not very sexual food. It is Texas barbecue, big sandwiches, and hamburgers/cheeseburgers. There are salads too.

The Katy Trail Ice House is mostly known for a decent night out with your existing social group. It's not a place for serious seducers.

Katy Trail Ice House Outpost

Katy Trail Outpost: The best patio and burgers in Plano, Texas.

We are your premier destination for an unforgettable dining and entertainment experience, featuring a diverse menu that spans Seafood, including traditional Seafood Boils , Cajun , American , Mexican , and Italian cuisines.

katyoutpost.com

Based on the initial success of The Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas, the ownership group decided to put a 2nd Ice House location in the suburbs. While the original Ice House opened in 2011, the suburban location in Plano opened in 2013. I am amazed the suburban location has lasted 10+ years.

Initially, the suburban location brought in surburbanites that wanted to have a "cool Dallas experience" without actually going into Dallas. In Plano, there is no Katy Trail beside the Katy Trail Ice House. It is randomly plopped in some suburban strip mall location.

It does try to mimic the Dallas location with an outdoor patio. The indoor area is somewhat similar to Dallas. The long tables are present there too.

Now that the Outpost location has been open for a while, some of the people who used to spend time at the Dallas location 5-10 years ago now go to the Outpost location now they are married and possibly have children. Perhaps they hire a babysitter and get away there for a bit. It's a common thing for people in Dallas who form LTRs in Dallas to move to the north of Dallas suburbs (Plano, Frisco, McKinney, and Allen) either after moving in together as an unmarried couple, getting married and living together, or soon after their first child is born.

The Outpost crowd is a combination of married couples on date nights, social groups of mainly married people, and some divorced people looking for rebound sex/a new relationship. There's likely an occasional cougar out there looking for a younger guy or some single guy looking to have sex with a married couple.

It's generally a worse crowd than Dallas because it is located in a family-centric suburb.

There isn't much of a reason to go.

Thanks for linking me to this review.

The part where you said the food is non-sexual made me laugh.

I was never aware food could be sexual vs non-sexual. What are some examples of sexual food?

 

[SW15]

The part where you said the food is non-sexual made me laugh.

I was never aware food could be sexual vs non-sexual. What are some examples of sexual food?

Foods are more sexual if they are lighter and/or get you in the mood for sex.

Pomegranates and various berries are foods that are more sexual. Chocolate (in moderation and higher quality chocolates) and certain alcohols are going to be more sexual in nature.

Some romantic restaurants (good restaurants for a date with an established girlfriend or a wife) will serve some of the right foods and also have a good ambience with lighting and music. Some Dallas examples can be found in the articles below, though there are some good date restaurants not included in the post below. Some choices I don't agree with and there are some places I've never been.

https://www.dallasites101.com/blog/post/the-most-romantic-restaurants-in-dallas/

Dallas' 12 Prettiest Dining Rooms

Dallas has no shortage of posh dining rooms. Here are some of our favorites.

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Going back to the Katy Trail Ice House and its food, the big portions of barbecue and hamburgers are not light and do not sit well in the stomach. It's not the kind of meal a man might want to eat immediately before sex. Too salty as well, which can affect blood flow to the penis.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Foods are more sexual if they are lighter and/or get you in the mood for sex.

Pomegranates and various berries are foods that are more sexual. Chocolate (in moderation and higher quality chocolates) and certain alcohols are going to be more sexual in nature.

Some romantic restaurants (good restaurants for a date with an established girlfriend or a wife) will serve some of the right foods and also have a good ambience with lighting and music. Some Dallas examples can be found in the articles below, though there are some good date restaurants not included in the post below. Some choices I don't agree with and there are some places I've never been.

https://www.dallasites101.com/blog/post/the-most-romantic-restaurants-in-dallas/

Dallas' 12 Prettiest Dining Rooms

Dallas has no shortage of posh dining rooms. Here are some of our favorites.

www.dallasobserver.com

Going back to the Katy Trail Ice House and its food, the big portions of barbecue and hamburgers are not light and do not sit well in the stomach. It's not the kind of meal a man might want to eat immediately before sex. Too salty as well, which can affect blood flow to the penis.

The salt thing is so important. When I lowered the salt intake in my diet, getting a hard on became so much more frequent, it feels like I am a teen again.

 

[SW15]

The salt thing is so important. When I lowered the salt intake in my diet, getting a hard on became so much more frequent, it feels like I am a teen again.

That's very good.

Did you ever eat food at Katy Trail Ice House? Like many restaurants, their dishes are salty. I would not recommend food at Katy Trail Ice House before sex.

Katy Trail Ice House is a lousy pickup venue because of the longer tables and fewer people standing. It's a decent place to go with a social circle or group of guys, but a waste of time for finding new women. Did you ever try pickup at Katy Trail Ice House?

 

[HaleyBaron]

No I don't do pick up. And especially never at that place. I avoid it cause it seems too boring.

 

[SW15]

No I don't do pick up. And especially never at that place. I avoid it cause it seems too boring.

I've never heard anyone call the Katy Trail Ice House boring. That said, I can see how someone could come to that conclusion.

If someone were to walk on the Katy Trail on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon during fall, winter, or spring, they would see a lot of activity at the patio tables behind the buildings. It seems like people are socializing and having fun at the long tables on the patio. Summers during daylight hours on the patio are miserable, so that affects the crowd.

One would observe that the Katy Trail Ice House is filled with blue pill ideology beta males and mid women who aren't unique in any way. Some people would call these bar patron NPC's. There are spectator sports on TV sets in the background.

Those on the inside would also be middle of the road, boring people consuming spectator sports.

Nights at the Katy Trail Ice House aren't that much different, either inside or outside. There isn't much mingling between groups of people.

Katy Trail Ice House does not have an approaching culture.

I need to do a review of a Dallas bar soon that has a stronger approach culture. I have one in mind. It is The Skellig on Henderson Avenue in the Knox-Henderson district. I mentioned it in Posts #10, #69, and #384 in the past. Other posters mentioned it in posts #8 and #68. It needs a more in depth review.

I reviewed Happiest Hour in 2023 in Post #264. People will do approaches there.

 

[SW15]

The Rise of Datey

An event called "Datey" is making a splash across social media platforms in Dallas, most notably on Instagram and TikTok. Datey is a structured singles event. It is likely that Datey events do not differ from any other structured singles event that has been done.

Are Structured Singles Events a Waste of Time?

Mostly every unattached person has dealt with this. The potential invitation to a "singles event" or "singles mixer". It is a chance for unattached people to meet. It's not a general night out at a bar, which has unattached people interspersed with attached people. Everyone here is unattached by...

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Datey launched earlier this year with an event called "Datey Trail", which was a singles event on the Katy Trail (see 2nd link, my December 2023 review of Katy Trail as a pickup venue) during June. Over 900 Dallas singles showed up to the Datey Trail event which has morphed into Datey.

Datey events have gotten coverage in local media. I have included news segments on Datey from the local Dallas NBC and CBS affiliates (see 3rd and 4th links).

There is little feedback online about the quality of Datey events. In looking at the NBC and CBS affiliate stories on Datey, most female attendees looked to be mid and most of the male attendees looked unimpressive as well. I am guessing that most of the mid females at Datey events are likely seeking top tier men, as they would do on the swipe apps.

In recent times, Dallasites101 (another big Instagram channel in the Dallas area) was putting on structured singles events with both a speed dating component and an open mingling component. Dallasites101 events quickly received a lot of bad word-of-mouth online about the quality of their events.

What's the verdict on Datey?

Datey is a hard pass for singles. I think men seeking good interactions with women would be better off doing traditional daygame or nightgame as compared to Datey events.

Observations on Dallas' Scene

I didn't update this thread during October 2022 so I missed highlighting a key annual event every October in Dallas. The Saturday on every Columbus Day weekend in Dallas is a big deal. It's the second Saturday during the State Fair of Texas. It's also when the annual football game between the...

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[Solomon]

I'm curious you seem to know a lot of places in your area how often do you go out to pick up? Which is your favorite venue to game and why? and how many approaches does it take you to get one date?

 

[SW15]

you seem to know a lot of places in your area how often do you go out to pick up?

It depends on how urgently that I need to have sex. If I am in a relationship or have multiple short term sex partners going, I am not likely to be going to do approaches. I dislike the hunt but like the sex.

Which is your favorite venue to game and why?

I do more non-bar approaching than bar approaching for a number of reasons, which I have listed at the bottom of this response for anyone interested.

Of all non-bar venues, I like grocery stores the best. I have gotten more dates at grocery stores than any other venue. I also think I am better suited to discuss grocery shopping than mall shopping. I have done both grocery store and mall approaching and I find starting conversations in grocery stores to be easier. I have been to a variety of grocery store locations in Dallas and shopped at nearly every brand of store in Dallas. I have had better results in certain stores than others and the outcomes surprised. As an example, I thought I would get more dates in Whole Foods as compared to other places but my results in Whole Foods have not been as good as other store brands.

I have approached outdoors (parks and paths), on the general gym floor, and at fitness classes.

Of all non-bar venues, my greatest disappointment is in group fitness classes. Group fitness classes have excellent ratios (often 2 females for every male in any class format). However, women who attend group fitness classes are rarely sociable before/after class. Some likely have boyfriends already but there are likely female fitness class attendees without boyfriends who aren't sociable.

Why I prefer non-bar approaching

1. I do not have any good wingmen right now to join me at bars. Since the majority of my friends are in LTRs/marriages, no one is willing to join me at the bars. If I wanted to go bar game, I would need to find new friends/acquaintances or do solo nightlife approaching. Neither solution is a good solution, but going out alone is probably the easier to implement solution.

2. I do not enjoy loud music, late nights, or many other elements of bar/nightclub approaching. It's possible to select quieter venues. It's difficult to avoid late nights at bars. Someone could do all their bar approaching prior to 9 PM but I've never seen a nightlife venue approacher use this tactic.

3. I prefer longer term sexual arrangements than shorter term ones. As someone who dislikes the hunt for sex, longer term sex is preferrable. Even when I was younger, I never liked the hunt that much.

4. I am somewhat introverted, a feature that isn't ideal for nightlife venue approaching. My introverted nature is probably best suited for social circle game and better suited to tech and non-bar approaching. Tech methods are difficult and I have never had good social circle options. There was a time in the past where it might have seemed on the surface like I had social circle options, but they weren't good ones. My introverted nature is why I have the lone wolf avatar beside my name.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

It depends on how urgently that I need to have sex. If I am in a relationship or have multiple short term sex partners going, I am not likely to be going to do approaches. I dislike the hunt but like the sex.

You haven't cold approached when your d1ck was routinely getting wet? Probably would have noticeably more success than when dry.

 

[SW15]

You haven't cold approached when your d1ck was routinely getting wet? Probably would have noticeably more success than when dry.

At a minimum, I'm scaling back my approaches when getting my penis wet regularly. Sometimes, I'm not approaching at all during periods when my penis is getting wet regularly.

I think my behavior is common in general, but possibly less common among people who would use SoSuave or similar forums. None of the men that I mention in this thread below are regularly approaching now in an LTR. Most men slow or stop approaching when getting laid regularly.

Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere! Life When Your Blue Pill Social Circle Starts Having Babies

Yesterday, I was on my Instagram and saw a pregnancy announcement from an acquaintance's wife in my social circle. I don't particularly like her. I find it annoying to be around her the 1-2 times a year I ever randomly see her in person. Right now, there are 3 women from my local area social...

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I have a lifetime notch count that puts me in at least the 90th-95th percentile of men.