Why does it seem that I can't get any EC in the gym. I mean I really am comfortable with it but can't get any. Also this happens on the street. What's wrong. Are they shy? Don't find me EC material? I don't have the ball s to approach without EC
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Maxtro
Master Don Juan
I have found that it is very hard to get eye contact from random girls. I am no longer to shy too look into their eyes but it doesn't mean they aren't shy.
Some guys have a baseline serious expression on their faces. Be sure when you try to make EC you have at least the hint of a smile, to show friendly intentions.
Work on overcoming this. A lot of chicks don't give signals, so you are cutting down your pool of available women significantly. In a way you're letting them choose you (should be other way round) by making sure they "invite" you over (based solely on your looks incidentally). Some chicks with high IL may even be be too shy or nervous to make/hold EC!
A man sees what he wants and goes after it. "Signals" are unreliable anyway.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Maybe because I don't have a smile on me. But when a girl is shy she will look at me when she thinks I am not looking. Could the others be so shy that they are looking me behind my back (of course some don't look at all)?
even start a convo."I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
You won't get EC without a smile and if she does look up, try a friendly wave. Both work together so well.
Whenever I manage that, I usuallly get into a convo with a girl and the phone number.
example: I am sitting there eating in a chinese restaurant and I look up and see this lady eating her food alone. I sit there and have a good smile on and then wave. when she looks up, and we get into a 15 minute conversation about useless junk. Went for the number close and got it.
My success rate with this method is about 9 out of every 10 women.
And I dont find it that hard to get random women to give me EC in school and town.
pretty much make sure you have a good confident smile and a wave(friendly). Worked wonders for me.
Just my 2 cents
Whenever I manage that, I usuallly get into a convo with a girl and the phone number.
example: I am sitting there eating in a chinese restaurant and I look up and see this lady eating her food alone. I sit there and have a good smile on and then wave. when she looks up, and we get into a 15 minute conversation about useless junk. Went for the number close and got it.
My success rate with this method is about 9 out of every 10 women.
And I dont find it that hard to get random women to give me EC in school and town.
pretty much make sure you have a good confident smile and a wave(friendly). Worked wonders for me.
Just my 2 cents
Now we come to my next problem. When I am walking and see a cute girl I try to make EC. If she does make it ,it will be when she is passing me so when I smile she has already walked past me. So should I already smile even though she hasn't noticed me?
yes same as for me, in general that is what most ppl do....everyone has their own private space that no one dares to enter.
yea i dont get much EC either...i think, i dont wear my glasses in gym so 99% of the time it's hard to tell if i even get any EC.
man today i was in the gym, and this girl was having a stroll all around the gym for about 20 mins...i have no clue why the ****. she walked past me several times. i couldnt exactly see what her face looked like, as you know i dont wear my glasses. but based on as much as i could see, she seems like she was in her late 20's....so i doubt i would've went near her. when i went back into the locker room to change and leave, as i exit the locker room...she also exits the locker room.
so i was thinking hm...maybe she expected me to talk to her and # close. oh well i just left it at that.
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
I dont know whether all the other DJs do this (I would like to know if you DJs do this too) but i am constantly smiling. I am constantly happy. When ever I am seeing a girl I am always have that confident smile on my face.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
yep it was hard at first but after a while it got much easier.