"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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No butterflies...

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I've had several women say the following:

"I really like you and think you are very sexy, but I just don't feel any butterflies in my stomach...so I don't think I want to keep seeing you"

All of them used this exact expression "no butterflies in my stomach" and gave that as the reason to end things. It kinda sounds like a polite way to say "I don't find you attractive" but most of these girls were already having sex with me (sex was good and they were eager for more), they were constantly texting me, looking for my attention, some even indicated they wanted me as their boyfriend etc. In other words, they definitely were attracted and showed high interest, so it's not a case of LJBF or anything.

So wtf did they mean then? Has any of you guys heard this line before under those circumstances? High attraction, high interest but.....no butterflies in her stomach, so she wants to end things...
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I see 3 reasons for this - sh!t test (seems very implausible), too damaged to feel chemistry without abuse, or healthy emotionally but doesn't feel it. The funny thing is it doesn't matter which one it is... Agree and amplify.

"Phew, I've been feeling exactly the same thing but I just didn't know how to say it. What a relief that we can move on now. Take care" and then walk away. They might communicate with you after this, if they do, (I would) see them strictly for sex only.
 

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Hmmmmm......

My best guess is that you are a specific type of way with girls at the beginning, and then as time passes you change something. They start to lose attraction.

Also, b1tches be crazy.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The vast majority of women who say this have butterflies in their heads :))
 

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She met a new guy she likes more, simple as that. I normally don't hear this bc I have a role to play in their life butterflies or not, but the one time I heard it this was the case.
God d@amnit, how could I forget that option. My post looks like a fumbling. Of course it's another guy!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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'yeah, and I have no care bears, either!'

'go fish, lady!'
 

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No butterflies = she’s not getting excited about/by you anymore + some level of boredom.
It’s usually at or close to over and done at this point…
 
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It could be she senses that YOU don't have the feels for her, and she wants to beat you to the punch of saying, "Yeah, you don't do anything for me."

Her lack of feels is more of a reciprocal thing, and she's just saying it before you do, so she can claim she dumped you and maintain her self image.

Unless you really do have the feels for these ladies, I'd just chalk it up to the cost of strings free sex.
 

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I don't know the girl, but could be she's ruined by the c0ck carousel. @Desdinova talks about once girls have so many sexual partners, they have trouble pair bonding. She has trouble getting the feels, but she still thinks she should have them.

A similar thing actually happens to guys, but for them it's a good thing. Once a guy has so many women, he starts to view all women as replaceable, look at this forum. But for a male, this is actually a good attitude to approach women with. Girls can be turned off if a guy is too head over heels, or as they say, "googly eyed".
 

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I don't know the girl, but could be she's ruined by the c0ck carousel. @Desdinova talks about once girls have so many sexual partners, they have trouble pair bonding. She has trouble getting the feels, but she still thinks she should have them.

A similar thing actually happens to guys, but for them it's a good thing. Once a guy has so many women, he starts to view all women as replaceable, look at this forum. But for a male, this is actually a good attitude to approach women with. Girls can be turned off if a guy is too head over heels, or as they say, "googly eyed".
Jadedness and abundance makes men more attractive to women, but it's women who are more likely to have abundance and become jaded. Just one of life's ironies.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Obvious. But worth mentioning there can be the problem of being too slick.

Most guys develop date routines to cut down mental overhead. Need to be a little inpractice.

My g/f still whinges about how quickly and expertly i Kinoed on our third date that's not good I should have made a couple of fumbles.
 

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Lowest partner count was 3 that I've dated with me as the third supposedly. 4th was two weeks after exclusivity haha.
I was #2 for my GF. The first guy turned into a needy stalker who wrote songs about her and posted them on youtube.

One of my other GFs wasn't jaded either, but she was also young.

That's why old bytches just aren't worth pursuing for relationships. They whine and cry that they haven't found the right guy yet, they're lonely, etc. Lots of guys (including the ones on this site) keep giving them the opportunity to feel loved, but then her friend Mike wants to go to a movie with her, and she won't give up Mike because she shouldn't have to give up her friends for anybody.

These women are good for a fvck and toss. Wipe your d1ck off in her hair and move on to the next. They're not capable of being respectful in a relationship because they've fvcked too many guys and they've accumulated too many guy friends, some she's likely slept with. A woman who isn't jaded is less likely to disrespect you in a relationship.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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