No butterflies...

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Lowest partner count was 3 that I've dated with me as the third supposedly. 4th was two weeks after exclusivity haha.
I was #2 for my GF. The first guy turned into a needy stalker who wrote songs about her and posted them on youtube.

One of my other GFs wasn't jaded either, but she was also young.

That's why old bytches just aren't worth pursuing for relationships. They whine and cry that they haven't found the right guy yet, they're lonely, etc. Lots of guys (including the ones on this site) keep giving them the opportunity to feel loved, but then her friend Mike wants to go to a movie with her, and she won't give up Mike because she shouldn't have to give up her friends for anybody.

These women are good for a fvck and toss. Wipe your d1ck off in her hair and move on to the next. They're not capable of being respectful in a relationship because they've fvcked too many guys and they've accumulated too many guy friends, some she's likely slept with. A woman who isn't jaded is less likely to disrespect you in a relationship.
 

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It means she doesn't really like you and she doesn't see you as long term material. I find that women who say this usually mean you aren't ahole enough for her, you might be too nice, she doesn't see you as aggressive, or she doesn't see you as a winner.
 

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You’re doing something wrong, idk what it is. But if you’re blowing out chicks left and right, you’re trying too hard. Once you’re having sex you can turn off the try hard ****
 

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Some of y'all are overthinking this. It doesn't matter what she says or the why she says it, it's how she's acting. Butterflies, no chemistry, it's me not you... they're all the same thing. Instead of analyzing what she's saying just move on from it and onto the next one.
 

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I've had several women say the following:

"I really like you and think you are very sexy, but I just don't feel any butterflies in my stomach...so I don't think I want to keep seeing you"

All of them used this exact expression "no butterflies in my stomach" and gave that as the reason to end things. It kinda sounds like a polite way to say "I don't find you attractive" but most of these girls were already having sex with me (sex was good and they were eager for more), they were constantly texting me, looking for my attention, some even indicated they wanted me as their boyfriend etc. In other words, they definitely were attracted and showed high interest, so it's not a case of LJBF or anything.

So wtf did they mean then? Has any of you guys heard this line before under those circumstances? High attraction, high interest but.....no butterflies in her stomach, so she wants to end things...
I can only speculate. You would need to share more about these women and the relationships that ensued.

I had a girl once tell me she didn't have butterflies and she said she found me physically attractive and showed plenty of interest. I didn't always call her like I should, didn't return texts in a timely manner and as a result it didn't make her feel comfortable with the relationship. It was really all about drinks, hanging out, and sex. Not much intimacy and I think this was what she really meant. She told me our sex was awesome(pretty much pornstar like). I certainly didn't have "loving" chic style sex with this girl. Girls need some of that to get their needs met. I really wasn't emotionally available to her and that led to the demise. Women need more than the physical, visual connection thats guys need. They need that emotional and verbal connection that creates butterflies.
 
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I've had several women say the following:

"I really like you and think you are very sexy, but I just don't feel any butterflies in my stomach...so I don't think I want to keep seeing you"

All of them used this exact expression "no butterflies in my stomach" and gave that as the reason to end things. It kinda sounds like a polite way to say "I don't find you attractive" but most of these girls were already having sex with me (sex was good and they were eager for more), they were constantly texting me, looking for my attention, some even indicated they wanted me as their boyfriend etc. In other words, they definitely were attracted and showed high interest, so it's not a case of LJBF or anything.

So wtf did they mean then? Has any of you guys heard this line before under those circumstances? High attraction, high interest but.....no butterflies in her stomach, so she wants to end things...
Had a girl who I was in the friendzone with tell me, "You make my heart happy!" What does that even mean. Hahaha
 

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Too much comfort and not enough mystery.

She is not afraid of losing you, nor afraid of what you think of her.

Always leave them wanting more....be the first to leave any interactions with them.
 

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A girl who base her Sex life on "butterflies" will always be a short-term plate.

They driven by the "high-honeymoon-lust" .. So you'll be gone after 6month or even 2 years.

A study showed that stable couples LTR are the ones that have the "lowest emotional fluctuation" ... They are the couple has no butterfly.

The research was determining the "HeartBeat of the Heart"... The lower the HeartBeat fluctuation the longer the couple lastest... The more " nervous or high HeartBeat" the shorter the LTR was.

Anyway, when they say that... You either are dead or need a massive come-back lay her
 

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A girl who base her Sex life on "butterflies" will always be a short-term plate.

They driven by the "high-honeymoon-lust" .. So you'll be gone after 6month or even 2 years.

A study showed that stable couples LTR are the ones that have the "lowest emotional fluctuation" ... They are the couple has no butterfly.

The research was determining the "HeartBeat of the Heart"... The lower the HeartBeat fluctuation the longer the couple lastest... The more " nervous or high HeartBeat" the shorter the LTR was.

Anyway, when they say that... You either are dead or need a massive come-back lay her
Agreed, the hopeless romantics are dangerous but very common.

Being there are a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing such as the self proclaimed "hopeless romantic" what if any are your experiences with them?

imo these types want the fuss made all about them while putting in little or no effort in return. the type to delude themselves by thinking the perfect person will just fall into their lap because they "deserve" them yet would have no problems dropping that same perfect person should reality interfere with their perfect fantasy world.

saw a post elsewhere that summed up these types perfectly:

Hopeless romantics initially come on strong, often idealizing the object of ther "love", although they are incapable of actually ever loving someone in a mature way that would require intimacy and committment on any level.

To them, the initial stages of a relationship that involves infatuation is like a drug and they need more and more of that injected into their empty and lifeless souls just to feel something since they are devoid of any real emotions and do not even understand themselves.

As long as they continue to believe the self-induced lie that they forced themselves to accept at the beginning of the relationship - then things will go well, at least for a while. They have to somehow convince themselves that the person they are in "love" with is "perfect" and feed off the infatuation and associated neuro-chemicals in order to be in a relationship, since in their own warped view of themselves, nothing less than a perfect partner is worth spending their time and energy on.

They typically become bored easily, have narcissistic traits and will ultimately begin to devalue the person they are with when the high intensity and endorphine fueled rushes related to the relationship/being in love are not sutainable anymore. That is why most of them will ususally keep other possible options on the side at all times (guys that are "just friends") and never let the relationship get to a point where it actually involves real intimacy or committment and they do that through a systematic and fine tuned process of known as approach-avoidance. Which is getting very close and being "in love" with the source of their emotional high when they need it and are very demanding at times, but then pulling back if the other person gets to close and/or wants more from the relationship - and more in terms of a mature, intimate and committed experience.

As much as they initially seem like they are "in love" and want to bond, they actually fear that more than anything and often substitute amazing sex as a form of intimacy when there is nothing in terms of a foundation to support it as time goes on and the relationship should or would require more than just being sexual, as the intensity, effect from pheromones and the neuro-chemicals released during physical intimacy cannot produce the same result anymore.

At that point, in a sense the end is always predetermined and inevitable when dealing with a person like that, so the choice for the other one involved is to either hang on and enjoy the pointless ride for as long as it will last or accept reality and move on.
 
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A girl who base her Sex life on "butterflies" will always be a short-term plate.

They driven by the "high-honeymoon-lust" .. So you'll be gone after 6month or even 2 years.

A study showed that stable couples LTR are the ones that have the "lowest emotional fluctuation" ... They are the couple has no butterfly.

The research was determining the "HeartBeat of the Heart"... The lower the HeartBeat fluctuation the longer the couple lastest... The more " nervous or high HeartBeat" the shorter the LTR was.

Anyway, when they say that... You either are dead or need a massive come-back lay her
I disagree with some of this, and I think some of you are applying way too much logic to the concept of "butterflies" and also your reaction to it.

I don't know what study you're citing, but the heart rate of the subjects could be beating fast or slow depending on plenty of variables - nervousness about being in a study, fear of partner leaving, or simply real attraction which can happen well after the honeymoon stage.

Assuming she's being honest, you guys have never gotten nervous or excited around a woman you met or started dating? I understand what she means, I've been there, red pill and all. If you're not feeling that, you're missing out, and I don't see it as a harbinger of a doomed relationship - it can go either way. You're allowed to enjoy these pleasures in life, no matter how juvenile they may seem, as long as you keep your head screwed on straight.

And like I said, her words ultimately don't add up to much anyway, it's her actions that count. For example, if she said it with a smile on her face while she was in your bed taking her clothes off would you bat an eyelash? Doubt it. There's no need to be hamstering this stuff, keep it simple.
 

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OP- I would take "you dont give me butterfiles" as a combination of several things:

1.) You dont make her wet when she thinks about you.

2.) You are too predictable. Probably too nice too

3.) You have a scarcity mindset.

4.) She knows what to expect from you and sees that as dull/boring.

5.) You are too available.

6.) You do not have a high enough self respect.

None of these things will get a woman thinking about you, lusting for you and make them chase you. Therefore, the "butterflies" arent there.

Pressure, nervousness, excitement, not sure what to expect.......all things that give women butterflies. Be that guy instead. It isnt hard. Stop answering all their calls. Stop responding so quickly to their texts. Cancel a date last minute with no reason. Dont be afraid to call her out on her bullshyte from time to time. Treat her like a child (in a good way....unless she just has to get a spanking). Go out with a chick and not tell her where you are taking her from time to time. Spice things up in the bedroom.

Bottom line- take charge and be a man. Lead. They will submit.
 
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