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To see the Blackpill (for lack of a better term) in action: If you are handsome, go hang out with your average looking friends. If you are average looking. go hang out with a handsome buddy. Don’t hit on girls. Just hang out. You will see.
If you haven't any handsome friends or average friends (as applicable): Watch Mad Men. Yes it's just TV, and I'm no Don Draper. But, what happens to him is Spot-on accurate. I can attest. Very 'blackpill'.
 

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To see the Blackpill (for lack of a better term) in action: If you are handsome, go hang out with your average looking friends. If you are average looking. go hang out with a handsome buddy. Don’t hit on girls. Just hang out. You will see.
Oh, i've already seen! haha.
My main wingman for a long time was a bonafide giga-chad lol. It's just impossible to deny most aspects of the blackpill when you see how it is for guys like that. But I don't tend to wallow in it. I simply make myself looks as good as I can, and approach a sh1t tonne of girls, and as a result I have gotten laid a fair bit with hot girls. Just means that I might need too approach a hundred hot young girls before I get one, whereas he will likely get every girl he goes for
 

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Oh, i've already seen! haha.
My main wingman for a long time was a bonafide giga-chad lol. It's just impossible to deny most aspects of the blackpill when you see how it is for guys like that. But I don't tend to wallow in it. I simply make myself looks as good as I can, and approach a sh1t tonne of girls, and as a result I have gotten laid a fair bit with hot girls. Just means that I might get 99/100 rejections, whereas he will likely get like 99/100 pulls lol
I admire your mental fortitude. I think I'd be swinging from a bridge.
 

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I admire your mental fortitude. I think I'd be swinging from a bridge.
Ha. At some point you just need to accept the whole 'it is what it is' thing. And comparison is the thief of joy. I try to just be happy with my own little victories.

But there certainly were many many nights where i'd come home from what I hoped would be a fun night and I just wanted to punch a hole in the wall. This was probably around the time when I was more naive, deep in the rabbit-hole of pickup theory, and really believed that 'game' could make a girl attracted. And since I believed that, the failures/rejections (all whilst my idea of dream girls were throwing themselves at my wing) made it all the more frustrating

But once I felt like I had enough life experience, and had tried and tested literally everything out there under the umbrella of 'game' (RSD, mysterymethod, Ross jefferies, LondonDaygame Model, etc etc etc) and decided that it was basically all bro-science I stopped caring so much in a way.
 

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There's a difference in perceiving the world at large in being doomed, and perceiving your own ability to get laid to be doomed.

BlackBettyPill?
 

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Ha. At some point you just need to accept the whole 'it is what it is' thing. And comparison is the thief of joy. I try to just be happy with my own little victories.

But there certainly were many many nights where i'd come home from what I hoped would be a fun night and I just wanted to punch a hole in the wall. This was probably around the time when I was more naive, deep in the rabbit-hole of pickup theory, and really believed that 'game' could make a girl attracted. And since I believed that, the failures/rejections (all whilst my idea of dream girls were throwing themselves at my wing) made it all the more frustrating

But once I felt like I had enough life experience, and had tried and tested literally everything out there under the umbrella of 'game' (RSD, mysterymethod, Ross jefferies, LondonDaygame Model, etc etc etc) and decided that it was basically all bro-science I stopped caring so much in a way.
Is the juice worth the squeeze? Would it have been easier to use an escort or use an escort after a bad streak? Where do you find the time to do approaches? Would this still be viable to you once you are over 40/50?
 

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Is the juice worth the squeeze? Would it have been easier to use an escort or use an escort after a bad streak? Where do you find the time to do approaches? Would this still be viable to you once you are over 40/50?
I love going out with friends to bars and that's where I do basically all my approaching, and so I don't even really consider it an 'effort' at such, tbh. Not like them London Day Gamers who wake up and catch the train to central London and spend 6 hours hitting the pavement opening girls non-stop like a job. I've never really been interested in hookers etc. Part of the turn on for me is that she's attracted, I guess.

Of course there's always a point where it's not viable, but that's the case for everyone. Not just me. At some point basically zero hot 18 year olds will be sexually attracted to you. At that point you have to leverage money and stuff, but in my mind, that's basically the same as paying escorts lol. I speak to Lots of people on seddit who claim to have amazing game but really they are just wealthy guys essentially paying girls for sex
 

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I love going out with friends to bars and that's where I do basically all my approaching, and so I don't even really consider it an 'effort' at such, tbh. Not like them London Day Gamers who wake up and catch the train to central London and spend 6 hours hitting the pavement opening girls non-stop like a job. I've never really been interested in hookers etc. Part of the turn on for me is that she's attracted, I guess.

Of course there's always a point where it's not viable, but that's the case for everyone. Not just me. At some point basically zero hot 18 year olds will be sexually attracted to you. At that point you have to leverage money and stuff, but in my mind, that's basically the same as paying escorts lol. I speak to Lots of people on seddit who claim to have amazing game but really they are just wealthy guys essentially paying girls for sex
Have you got reactions like this on approaches?


It's noted that you focus on night-game and perhaps this is your sweet spot. In my case, I don't have any sweet-spot to approach anyone.
Day-game sounds very risky because of videos like the above link posted by Wheat Waffles and it seems that some women are genuinely traumatized if a sub-5 guy approaches them and says "excuse me m'aam" from 30 feet away. This guy obviously did a day-game approach. While this is not your category of approaches, it seems like the next reasonable category if you are not into night-game and, obviously, the day-game/day-time is when most people are out doing their own thing. If you can not even approach a women with a polite "excuse me", then that's totally barbaric. Suppose this guy needed help for some personal emergency. It's women like that which is why guys shy away from making approaches.
 

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The guy in the video is right about ugly guys. I was with an unnatractive male coworker. We were at an out of town convention and we decided to visit a local club. About a half hour or so. I lost track of him. I checked my phone a bit later and he texted me that a bouncer came up to him and told him he needed to leave. He was not bothering anyone. Was not hitting on girls. This wasn't in LA, NY or Miami Beach where this might be kinda expected. The Aussie guy is 6/10 at best.
 

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I love going out with friends to bars and that's where I do basically all my approaching, and so I don't even really consider it an 'effort' at such, tbh. Not like them London Day Gamers who wake up and catch the train to central London and spend 6 hours hitting the pavement opening girls non-stop like a job. I've never really been interested in hookers etc. Part of the turn on for me is that she's attracted, I guess.

Of course there's always a point where it's not viable, but that's the case for everyone. Not just me. At some point basically zero hot 18 year olds will be sexually attracted to you. At that point you have to leverage money and stuff, but in my mind, that's basically the same as paying escorts lol. I speak to Lots of people on seddit who claim to have amazing game but really they are just wealthy guys essentially paying girls for sex
I love clubbing. But where I am it has become increasingly dangerous and depressing. (SF Area). Although I'm in a relationship, it is still fun to go out and chat with girls or hang with a buddy and drink. At least I get sent by my work to safer, if not more boring, towns.
 

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The guy in the video is right about ugly guys. I was with an unnatractive male coworker. We were at an out of town convention and we decided to visit a local club. About a half hour or so. I lost track of him. I checked my phone a bit later and he texted me that a bouncer came up to him and told him he needed to leave. He was not bothering anyone. Was not hitting on girls. This wasn't in LA, NY or Miami Beach where this might be kinda expected. The Aussie guy is 6/10 at best.
Thanks for sharing this story. However, @characternote has self-declared himself as a sub-5 and uses nightgame to approach women.
This guy is a bit of an enigma, because he doesn't give up when he has every right too and likes his rewards / victories at the end of the day. However, other loud normie guys on here like @SW15 are also 6/10 that uses "generational-cope". Therefore, someone looking like him would also be kicked out yet he doesn't account for any nasty rejections.

Therefore, you have either overrated your friend and he's more like a 2/3 out of 10 and is a bona-fide sub-5, or he's visited a wrong club, but there is no way a 6/10 would be treated like that. Even in the video, the guy was 3/10.

As blackpill as I am, I do respect @characternote account and his posts and works is preventing me from being totally blackpill. He just won't get discouraged and just quit. Perhaps as he gets older.
 

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To see the Blackpill (for lack of a better term) in action: If you are handsome, go hang out with your average looking friends
i am fortunate... I have always had looks on my side. I am 6ft4...naturally tan... natural jawline...always in excellent shape.

It isn’t a fair game. I get hit on... I can tell girls I am married and it rarely matters.... when I was single I could have an off night with my game and it usually didn’t matter... girls will give me the benefit of the doubt. When I hooked up I never had girls ghost me afterwards. My buddies are not chopped liver but need to do way more work than me. If they are not on... it’s over.

i view red pill as understanding that we can always improve and make ourselves more desirable... successful and improve the quality of female we attract. Like anything... there are always limits...like in sports. A 5ft5 160lb baseball player can work all day everyday and will still likely never reach the potential and talent of a player like Aaron judge if he works equally as hard. The player can only make himself his best version.

I viewed black pill as simply saying looks are all that matters... why even bother playing... ( I might be wrong?)... but the black pillers could still improve drastically if they put the effort in.
 

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i am fortunate... I have always had looks on my side. I am 6ft4...naturally tan... natural jawline...always in excellent shape.

It isn’t a fair game. I get hit on... I can tell girls I am married and it rarely matters.... when I was single I could have an off night with my game and it usually didn’t matter... girls will give me the benefit of the doubt. When I hooked up I never had girls ghost me afterwards. My buddies are not chopped liver but need to do way more work than me. If they are not on... it’s over.

i view red pill as understanding that we can always improve and make ourselves more desirable... successful and improve the quality of female we attract. Like anything... there are always limits...like in sports. A 5ft5 160lb baseball player can work all day everyday and will still likely never reach the potential and talent of a player like Aaron judge if he works equally as hard. The player can only make himself his best version.

I viewed black pill as simply saying looks are all that matters... why even bother playing... ( I might be wrong?)... but the black pillers could still improve drastically if they put the effort in.
The vast majority of men are not handsome. But, the vast majority of men get a woman. I think the correct application of the ‘Pill’ is that, yes looks matter. a lot. But other things matter too. And one can and should improve oneself. There may be s small minority of men who, for physical/mental or other reasons just won’t make it. But can one be sure one is in that category without really trying?
 

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Thanks for sharing this story. However, @characternote has self-declared himself as a sub-5 and uses nightgame to approach women.
This guy is a bit of an enigma, because he doesn't give up when he has every right too and likes his rewards / victories at the end of the day. However, other loud normie guys on here like @SW15 are also 6/10 that uses "generational-cope". Therefore, someone looking like him would also be kicked out yet he doesn't account for any nasty rejections.

Therefore, you have either overrated your friend and he's more like a 2/3 out of 10 and is a bona-fide sub-5, or he's visited a wrong club, but there is no way a 6/10 would be treated like that. Even in the video, the guy was 3/10.

As blackpill as I am, I do respect @characternote account and his posts and works is preventing me from being totally blackpill. He just won't get discouraged and just quit. Perhaps as he gets older.
No. this is a different guy. A coworker. He’s probably a 3/10 dresses sloppy and acts a bit odd. You can get away with being a bit…eccentric in SF. Not so much elsewhere.
 

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I stopped watching news, TV and social media many years ago. To keep my sanity.

Coming here sometimes makes me depressed on the complaining. Makes me think 100% of the female population in the world are *****s who rode the c0ck-carousel and is going to divorce-rape you. And if you're not +6ft, 6-pack, full of hair and good looking, you'll end up banging a land-whale.
Many men try to prevent hair loss as they get older, but a new study has revealed that bald men may actually be sexier to women.

The research found that hairless men are leading the way in attractiveness, and appear more confident and dominant to the opposite sex.
 

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Most of us red pill guys fundamentally disagree with the black pill ideology. But I am fine with them being integrated in this forum if they can be reasonable in discussion. What I don't like is the constant negativity that ends up overtaking a lot of threads where it just becomes a "looks/money" argument every time. Part of it is generational as @SW15 pointed out. Part of it is just our society has a loser's mindset anymore and it's the way people are.

Just in general, we have had a lot of new posters in the past 2-3 years now that just want to sh1t all over the red pill. They aren't even necessarily "black pill."
But it is a LooksMoneyStatus thing :rolleyes:, with a little of attitude on the side. That said, one can always maximize his situation - e.g., I exclusively GeoMax - but there always comes the eventual realization that while the Red Pill explains why things are the way they are, it still doesn't help much with the results. I think that for most men, there is this arc with respect to PUA of: discovery, investigation, implementation, alienation (at the lack of success), anger, acceptance (of PUA not helping much, if at all), and reflection. The Black Pill is simply the result of this final step of reflection of this entire arc; maybe my reflection is from the POV of being short. :mad:
 

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Yeah, it looks like there is a disconnect betweem chad/chadlite posters and normies and sub 5s. You can almost see who is who by the posts. You wonder sometimes if the chad/chadlite posters can even cope if they had the same "invisible with women" experience for a week as the other posters.
It seems that the only men for whom Red Pill really helps are those that are already > ChadLight that need an attitude adjustment to start generally succeeding. For < Normies, while it opens our eyes, it still doesn't translate into success; that said, it does help us avoid getting into a cucked Blue Pill situation.
 

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Is the juice worth the squeeze? Would it have been easier to use an escort or use an escort after a bad streak? Where do you find the time to do approaches? Would this still be viable to you once you are over 40/50?
My point exactly. There is a reason why there is a natural fear in men of getting rejected. Spinning game over and over and it's OVER again with no product at the end wears down a man's agency like no other. As for the viability at age 40/50, I think what is happening is that men just aren't that interested in a new, older woman, and just don't feel like they should CourtingMaxxing or JesterMaxxing for these harridans.

As for EscortMaxxing, I think that if a man is looking for a completely casual sex encounter, he basically wants a pro whose price is $0; really that is the only difference, and that casual chick will be PITA to move on from.
 

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Is the juice worth the squeeze? Would it have been easier to use an escort or use an escort after a bad streak? Where do you find the time to do approaches? Would this still be viable to you once you are over 40/50?
I agree that at some point a man could or should resort to an escort/ prostitute. At the end of the day how we view the world is all in our own head. I know PLENTY of dudes that follow this script every weekend;

-go to the club /bar
-approach women ,trying to get something
-if they can't find anything right after the DJ stops playing to the sexclub to bust a nut.

Sometimes even when they actually do have a gf they'll still visit the sexclub occasionally. Their attitude is dgaf.

Personally I don't like visiting escorts , but that's a ego thing. We have plenty of prtty women doing the job , and if you'd met them in the club you would fall in love in a second. Now you pay 100 euro and she spreads her legs..

I guess it's always important for a man to at least be able to chat up a woman. If you give up on that skill and only resort to prostitution you'll get lazy.
 

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I guess it's always important for a man to at least be able to chat up a woman. If you give up on that skill and only resort to prostitution you'll get lazy.
What if the only attractive women that chat back are prostitutes? :mad: The thing about moving on from a regular club to a strip club later in the evening is that trying to just talk with women at the former is like driving a nail into a concrete wall, while the at the latter, even if you don't spend a lot of money, is like driving a knife through soft butter. Too much of the former leads down a dark path, while the latter at least makes you feel worthy (and if you spend more money, gets your tubes cleaned too, which results in a good feeling :cool: ).
 
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