"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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this is my first post on this forum so let me intro my self
my names dean im 18 and from england
iv been doing this game for the past two years so generaly im ok with girls

iv decided to set my self a bit of a challange, afterall nothing to be learnt when you take the easy option

heres this story
nice and simple

hot chik allways hangs out in a 4set 2 girls one guy and her
both girls she hangs with are veryyyy *****y the guy is ok

i from time to time go out ot lunch with themand somtimes let the girl think im intrested in her
however the other two chiks keep getting in the way like basically chat **** iv tried to isolate her but as expected the two chiks follow on....
iv tried to use the guy as a wingman but he is one neeeedy bastard....
i swear im not givein up ont his one lols

lets hear some ideas peeps!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If you just sit down at their table and then focus on her, its not just weird for her, but her friends will try to protect her too.

Instead, talk to the whole group. More to her friends then to her. Get them laughing, be interesting, and be the center of attention. Eventually, you want her friends to be in a conversation or something, and then you can turn to the girl you want and talk to her 1 on 1. "So do they always fight like that?". Whatever. Get her number right then and there. In the future, you can just call her up and go out on a date, and not have to worry about her friends at all.
 

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If you would like us to help you,we could use a couple more things;
DETAILS ON SPECIFIC SITUATIONS and ages to start.
 

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ah sorry blinkwatt dteails:
there all 19

urm as for situations

we'd be walking up to the supermarket for lunch and its like 10 mins away, i usualy isolate her easily enough and we move ahead of the group and start talking and as soon as im getting someweere her freinds will shout random comments ie wow looks like you two are geeting on too fine, or even at one point they shouted watch out he justs wont to bum you.
i then throw a bit of cnf:

me: wow your friends are realy clever
her: huh why
me: they allready no my intentions

but usualy at this point they allready have cought up and back to step one!

this is turning out to be a hard one!

Ace of Flames: thanxs for the advice, however iv tried that.....quite a few times, but i get blocked by the rest of her group

i swear im gona crack this one!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Ace of Flames said:
If you just sit down at their table and then focus on her, its not just weird for her, but her friends will try to protect her too.

Instead, talk to the whole group. More to her friends then to her. Get them laughing, be interesting, and be the center of attention. Eventually, you want her friends to be in a conversation or something, and then you can turn to the girl you want and talk to her 1 on 1. "So do they always fight like that?". Whatever. Get her number right then and there. In the future, you can just call her up and go out on a date, and not have to worry about her friends at all.
I think this is the worst advice I've ever heard in my life. First of all, if the two girls act as c*ckblockers, it's going to be very very difficult to get them to be friendly with you. Secondly, if you try to make friends with the whole group, you are sending the wrong message, but by now, most of you who know Ace of Flamer already understand that he HATES everybody who thinks its ok to let the girl know you are attracted to her. Third, as if the first part of your comment wasn't bad enough, the "and then you can turn to the girl you want and talk to her 1 on 1" sentence literally made me vomit, punch myself in the face knocking out my front teeth, and pull two thirds of all of my hair out of my scalp. IF YOU GO 1 ON 1 AFTER "ATTEMPTING TO MAKE FRIENDS WITH THE GROUP", you are basically making yourself look like a fake, and that you used the group to get into the girl. Look, just talk to the girl when she's alone, don't even mess with her pals. That is unless you want to date them too.
 

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Ok, you just proved you have no idea what's going on. That stuff is in the bible, written plain as day. Its in Mystery Method. Neil Strauss and David D. also talk about it. Its common knowledge, proven time and again.

You just wanted to get at ME, and you failed in doing so. Sorry guy, go back in your corner and ball up into the fetal position.
 

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:confused: ....dude u talking to me or the other bloke?

im not trying to get at any one

with respect to me not having a clue whats going opn perhaps you can tell me where i messed up.....

approaced....oppend the set talked to all the group not just her
used the negs and ****y n funny
isolated her i did get her num however it seems shes inseprable from this lot
 
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