"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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this is my first post on this forum so let me intro my self
my names dean im 18 and from england
iv been doing this game for the past two years so generaly im ok with girls

iv decided to set my self a bit of a challange, afterall nothing to be learnt when you take the easy option

heres this story
nice and simple

hot chik allways hangs out in a 4set 2 girls one guy and her
both girls she hangs with are veryyyy *****y the guy is ok

i from time to time go out ot lunch with themand somtimes let the girl think im intrested in her
however the other two chiks keep getting in the way like basically chat **** iv tried to isolate her but as expected the two chiks follow on....
iv tried to use the guy as a wingman but he is one neeeedy bastard....
i swear im not givein up ont his one lols

lets hear some ideas peeps!
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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If you just sit down at their table and then focus on her, its not just weird for her, but her friends will try to protect her too.

Instead, talk to the whole group. More to her friends then to her. Get them laughing, be interesting, and be the center of attention. Eventually, you want her friends to be in a conversation or something, and then you can turn to the girl you want and talk to her 1 on 1. "So do they always fight like that?". Whatever. Get her number right then and there. In the future, you can just call her up and go out on a date, and not have to worry about her friends at all.
 

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If you would like us to help you,we could use a couple more things;
DETAILS ON SPECIFIC SITUATIONS and ages to start.
 

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ah sorry blinkwatt dteails:
there all 19

urm as for situations

we'd be walking up to the supermarket for lunch and its like 10 mins away, i usualy isolate her easily enough and we move ahead of the group and start talking and as soon as im getting someweere her freinds will shout random comments ie wow looks like you two are geeting on too fine, or even at one point they shouted watch out he justs wont to bum you.
i then throw a bit of cnf:

me: wow your friends are realy clever
her: huh why
me: they allready no my intentions

but usualy at this point they allready have cought up and back to step one!

this is turning out to be a hard one!

Ace of Flames: thanxs for the advice, however iv tried that.....quite a few times, but i get blocked by the rest of her group

i swear im gona crack this one!
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Ace of Flames said:
If you just sit down at their table and then focus on her, its not just weird for her, but her friends will try to protect her too.

Instead, talk to the whole group. More to her friends then to her. Get them laughing, be interesting, and be the center of attention. Eventually, you want her friends to be in a conversation or something, and then you can turn to the girl you want and talk to her 1 on 1. "So do they always fight like that?". Whatever. Get her number right then and there. In the future, you can just call her up and go out on a date, and not have to worry about her friends at all.
I think this is the worst advice I've ever heard in my life. First of all, if the two girls act as c*ckblockers, it's going to be very very difficult to get them to be friendly with you. Secondly, if you try to make friends with the whole group, you are sending the wrong message, but by now, most of you who know Ace of Flamer already understand that he HATES everybody who thinks its ok to let the girl know you are attracted to her. Third, as if the first part of your comment wasn't bad enough, the "and then you can turn to the girl you want and talk to her 1 on 1" sentence literally made me vomit, punch myself in the face knocking out my front teeth, and pull two thirds of all of my hair out of my scalp. IF YOU GO 1 ON 1 AFTER "ATTEMPTING TO MAKE FRIENDS WITH THE GROUP", you are basically making yourself look like a fake, and that you used the group to get into the girl. Look, just talk to the girl when she's alone, don't even mess with her pals. That is unless you want to date them too.
 

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Ok, you just proved you have no idea what's going on. That stuff is in the bible, written plain as day. Its in Mystery Method. Neil Strauss and David D. also talk about it. Its common knowledge, proven time and again.

You just wanted to get at ME, and you failed in doing so. Sorry guy, go back in your corner and ball up into the fetal position.
 

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:confused: ....dude u talking to me or the other bloke?

im not trying to get at any one

with respect to me not having a clue whats going opn perhaps you can tell me where i messed up.....

approaced....oppend the set talked to all the group not just her
used the negs and ****y n funny
isolated her i did get her num however it seems shes inseprable from this lot
 
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