"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Justaguy254254 said:
Thank you for your advice. I really wasn't thinking too deeply about remaining in a holding pattern for her... That would be destructive for me.

I'm just going to her apartment to drop off a few of her things, and pick up a few of my things...give the talk, which will be "you seem to want to go, so you'll do what you want to do. I've had a great time with you up to this point, and wish you the best in the future. However, I don't want to talk with you again after today except if one of the following is true. 1) You discover you still have something of mine and need to return it 2) You decide in the next few days that you are able to commit to me and not let anyone convince you that you're somehow missing out by not spending time with these guys."

Something along those lines. And I'll get in my car and go home.
I wouldn't give her any type of ultimatum. I would just say, it's been fun, you are very dear to me, but it's time for you to see what is out there, and if our paths cross again, then it was meant to be.

Put the tide or emphasis of the breakup on you. That it was your idea. Don't let a teenager control a grown man's life. She may be doing that at the moment, but don't let her think she is.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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cordoncordon said:
I wouldn't give her any type of ultimatum. I would just say, it's been fun, you are very dear to me, but it's time for you to see what is out there, and if our paths cross again, then it was meant to be.

Put the tide or emphasis of the breakup on you. That is was your idea. Don't let a teenager control a grown man's life. She may be doing that at the moment, but don't let her think she is.

You are correct, this is better. I shall do so. :)

Thanks for sharing a bit of history about your similar situation, it was helpful.
 

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Justaguy254254 said:
You are correct, this is better. I shall do so. :)

Thanks for sharing a bit of history about your similar situation, it was helpful.
Best of luck!
 

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Justaguy254254 said:
I'm just going to her apartment to drop off a few of her things, and pick up a few of my things...give the talk, which will be "you seem to want to go, so you'll do what you want to do. I've had a great time with you up to this point, and wish you the best in the future. However, I don't want to talk with you again after today except if one of the following is true. 1) You discover you still have something of mine and need to return it 2) You decide in the next few days that you are able to commit to me and not let anyone convince you that you're somehow missing out by not spending time with these guys."

Something along those lines. And I'll get in my car and go home.
I would avoid telling her option #2. It gives her an "out" and she'll know she can have her cake and eat it too. The best thing to do is step back with dignity and move on with your life. If she decides that she wants to commit to you she'll make it clear. Don't try and be emotional or rational with her. Indifference and resolve is the best approach. Good luck.
 

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For you man, I think you're doing the right thing. Although it may be hard and you didn't do anything wrong. The best advice is to not go back ever to a girl who doesn't consider you her top 1. If she chose other men over you, its over. Its a wrap. If she comes back, make her earn it and truly see if she wants that. But since 19 is so young you'll be looking for more mature women by then.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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LegendaryGame said:
For you man, I think you're doing the right thing. Although it may be hard and you didn't do anything wrong. The best advice is to not go back ever to a girl who doesn't consider you her top 1. If she chose other men over you, its over. Its a wrap. If she comes back, make her earn it and truly see if she wants that. But since 19 is so young you'll be looking for more mature women by then.
I think it is the right thing too.

Her deciding I'm not number 1 at this time is based upon ignorance of relationships and life in general... I have to accept that and let her move on with her decision. I mentioned it earlier, it is something that I knew in the back of my mind would happen sooner or later, given her lack of history and age.

You're also right that if she does come back I will probably have moved on myself and not want anything to do with her. Time resolves everything, one way or another :)
 

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cordoncordon said:
Put the tide or emphasis of the breakup on you. That is was your idea. Don't let a teenager control a grown man's life. She may be doing that at the moment, but don't let her think she is.
EXACTLY. You might want to write this on your mirror with her lipstick. :D
 

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Justaguy254254 said:
...Or should I take the approach of telling her to go ahead and hang out with them, and do so with the utmost confidence and with the air that she'll still be wanting me the most after everything? I am guessing that in this situation, that might be the best thing to do.
Wrong.

Dude, her interest is waning. Let go of the reigns and start to develop other plates. I would say move on from her completely.

You are dating a 19 year old with very little experience---what do you think is going to happen?? The longer you try and 'hang on' the worse it is going to end for you. Take my word for it. This is a 'pay me now, or pay me later' scenario.

You're 28? My advice to you is to NOT seriously date girls who are under 25. If you associate with kids dont be surprised if you end up playing kid's games.
 

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Do you really expect a 19 year old to give up all the learning and living she has ahead of her simply because you are infatuated with her? Look you're 28 and you had a nice long "ride" with a teenager. But it wasn't and couldn't be forever. Right now you're assuming the role of the pathetic clingy guy. Let her move on and you move on. You're trying to control her. It is INEVITABLE that she is going to have someone else. How do you feel about that? Get over your ONEitis and let go and let her live her life. She is a teenager and in this day and age, teenagers don't get married unless there is a shotgun involved. Move On with your head held high. And don't try and be her "friend" either.
 

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Her deciding I'm not number 1 at this time is based upon ignorance of relationships and life in general
No - her "decision" is based on falling IL in you and her curiousity and desire to be with other guys, Grab your nuts and what is left of your self-respect and LJBF her before she insults you any further.
Would you really want her back after she has slept with other guys?

Best strategy - dump her and date other women - start today
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Justaguy254254 said:
Thanks for your input. I agree that just leaving her is a definite possibility. Maybe the best one... but I am thinking there's a chance that by saying she should go ahead with it, she'll go out with this guy and see that the unknown is not so amazing as what she has already. :)
If that unknown happens to be somebody like ME...a assure you, she would forget you in less than 1 hour after sex.

Listen...just let her go.

I cannot even believe you have been ONLY with her (considering her age) for over a year. If I was in your shoes (and your age), I would have been with 3 or 4 women in a constant rotation. I cannot believe a teenager has so much CONTROL over YOUR life.
 

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It's done...was easy enough. I could tell she was a little upset, and I remained calm...even laughed a little at how silly everything seemed. I felt quite serene, really. I noticed she seemed taken aback and upset when I said that I didn't want to talk anymore...she asked if I wanted to. But the experience wasn't bad at all, in fact quite beneficial to me.

I said good luck in the future... and went home.
 

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jophil28 said:
No - her "decision" is based on falling IL in you and her curiousity and desire to be with other guys, Grab your nuts and what is left of your self-respect and LJBF her before she insults you any further.
Would you really want her back after she has slept with other guys?

Best strategy - dump her and date other women - start today

That's what I meant, we are saying the same thing regarding her reasons and thinking. :)

See above, I did the deed.
 

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Justaguy254254 said:
That's what I meant, we are saying the same thing regarding her reasons and thinking. :)

See above, I did the deed.
Good job !

Now you need to do two things -

1. Actively pursue and date other women. Do not sit around silently hoping that you G/f will do a 180. She wanted to date other men - thats a dealbreaker, it is not negotiable.

2. Rehearse what you are going to say to her if or when she comes slithering back. It is likely but not certain.. You need to be prepared to reject her advances with a prepared response. Do not allow yourself to be hoovered back in. She had her chance with you and she passed you up in favor of dating other guys,
 

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...and I remained calm...even laughed a little at how silly everything seemed. I felt quite serene, really.
That "serene" feeling comes from taking charge and doing what you needed to do. It is the feeling that flows from firm control, acting as a leader and managing the situation well..

Congratulations.. mission complete.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Your desire for her is your need for emotional intimacy. She is telling you she will be pulling out her emotional investment with you.

Let's use an analogy.

You work for financial independence.

Let's say you are employed and your boss tells you one day he will not be paying for your services any longer. He wants to check out other prospects but you are free to stick around without pay.

Why do you walk away?

You want a paycheck (emotional validation) and your services are no longer appreciated. So what do you do? You take your services to someone who can appreciate them and reciprocate your time and energies.
 

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jophil28 said:
That "serene" feeling comes from taking charge and doing what you needed to do. It is the feeling that flows from firm control, acting as a leader and managing the situation well..

Congratulations.. mission complete.
I agree. I appreciate your advice, along with the advice of the others who have posted.

I also agree that it is reasonably likely she'll try contacting me sometime in the future. That ought to be interesting...
 

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jophil28 said:
That "serene" feeling comes from taking charge and doing what you needed to do. It is the feeling that flows from firm control, acting as a leader and managing the situation well..

Congratulations.. mission complete.

EXACTLY.
 

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I also agree that it is reasonably likely she'll try contacting me sometime in the future. That ought to be interesting...
It would be best to avoid any conversation for awhile, just don't pick up the phone when it is her. Let it go to VM.

Keep us posted!
 

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do not hope for or expect her to come back. if there is a 5% chance that it happens, it will only happen when you genuinely stop caring whether it does. like that guy in the movie 'swingers' says: 'somehow they know not to come back until you really have forgotten about them'.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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