"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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and the moral of this story is....

"shorty" flaked - oh so predictable. I made alternate plans anyway - knowing this was gonna happen. and I called the russian and we have a movie date for monday.

russian girl: we have no chemistry and I get a 2nd date. that my convo with her was a flop seems irrelevant now.

shorty: we have big time chemistry and she flakes

why?

date w/ russian was monday and I had zero contact since then, I call, I get a date.

conclusion: 4 days is normally a good wait time. but in this case I should double it to compensate for being such an idiot and calling shorty the next day. if I'm too available my value goes down. so I have to get scarce.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Re: and the moral of this story is....

Originally posted by ogre


1. "shorty" flaked - oh so predictable.

2. russian girl: we have no chemistry and I get a 2nd date. that my convo with her was a flop seems irrelevant now.
shorty: we have big time chemistry and she flakes
why?

3. conclusion:if I'm too available my value goes down. so I have to get scarce.
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1. If the date was 5 hours, most likely...you have being LJBF without the explicit statement. Conclusion? Dont do LOOONG dates. Prfereably end it after 1 hours, end it yourself...

2. Ha... the world is not spinning around you. YOU thought you had chemistry... she didn't. Besides all people here would tell you: chemistry is nothing... high IL is everything. If she shows high IL, you got the next date.
So... consider thinking in terms of IL to predict whether you will have a second date.
I just remind you: women tend to show high IL if they smell you are a dating material with ponetial, i.e. with "money", but they call it "he knows where he is going in life". Probably shorty was not impressed with your presentation of your "where I am going in life" an the russian seems is more impressed. Very simple.
I am sure you knew taht before...

3. Yes. I think most women even test men on how available he is directly: if he is too available, she will just write him off....
It is like a requirement you have to meet.
 
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ogre: try to avoid such long dates early in the game - from experience, we guys eventually become chumps as the minutes progress (by not cutting it off earlier) and/or bored/boring (again shoulda cut it off earlier!).
 
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