Breaks up her little game when guys A and B know about each other. She loses at least one and maybe two.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Need help coping, post-breakup with a borderline personality disorder (BPD) woman
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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Yeah that stuff is gold Billtx49 & Red Legg.
Wrecks her little scam going on. Lol
One of the best threads ever. I would have jumped in earlier but I wasn’t fully unplugged yet. I’ve decided that I would rather have more fun with these girls. Good sex. Dirty girls. What’s not to like? Lol
Wrecks her little scam going on. Lol
One of the best threads ever. I would have jumped in earlier but I wasn’t fully unplugged yet. I’ve decided that I would rather have more fun with these girls. Good sex. Dirty girls. What’s not to like? Lol
Got to be careful with that sometimes a really evil Siren will "pit" two men against each other in a death match...gives her a power trip..I have seen it.
Yep, if both men don’t recognize trash when they see it that could happen.
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Oh hell yes. Seen it myself. Likes to watch the spectacle. The two are completely oblivious that they are manipulated. Figured that one out some time ago.
Sometimes it’s the cheating wife or girlfriend coming clean and then acting like she was the victim and the damsel. Sucks the white Knight right up to the surface and it’s off and running.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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So do these women normally make the first move?
I was reading a story this morning of another BPD victim..Verne Troyer better known as "minnie me" from the Austin Powers movies (drank himself to death) I saw a pic of his "girlfriend" she screams BPD...I want to see a study done on how many men die each year from Siren encounters I bet it would be in the 10's of thousands.Suicides,murders,drug overdoses (there is no telling)
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I have already attributed a lot of suicides and domestic violence incidents to this.
Also why men die earlier than their wives. They really are destroyed. I don’t think it’s because they work too hard. A man was built to work and happier when he does accomplish those things.
I hadn’t thought of the drug scenario as of yet. But now I’m pretty certain you are correct. Heavy alchoholics just flat give up. Destroyed inside and always wrecking his life.
This subject has always fascinated me...I know a private Psychiatrist and I was talking to him about this subject and he told me that male Psychiatrists have been "sucked in " by just talking to female BPD losing their license committing suicide the whole 9 yards...some psychiatrists will refer them to a female doctor and won't touch them with a 10 foot pole...now that is powerful.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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Damn that is powerful. A passive/female frame can get you dead.
You’re right. That is fascinating.
A big part of the problem professionals have is not much that comes out of her mouth is actually real. The disorder that effects her personality is so pervasive you eventually don’t know what to believe.
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Crap!!!!!
That’s exactly what happened to me. You get filled with so much uncertainty that you cant make certain decisions that you need to make. “What if it’s not true”, “what if I’m wrong?”
“Is it really my fault because “I didn’t talk to her or listen”?”
“Is she really the victim in this?”
Basically you forget who you are and what you believe to be true. That’s really sinister in nature. Take a man and turn him into a mass of indecision.
Wow. Just wow. I see the truth of that golden nugget bill. That’s really inspiring man. Truly. Empowering for a man to see that.
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She’s no victim and she knows exactly what she’s doing. Down to the bone.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
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Yeah. I’m good with it now. It’s all crystal clear now. When I looked at it the first time it was not working for me. There was no out. It was a circular argument with no escape. No chance of empowering a man to take charge.
I’m glad I waited until I could jump in and actually get something out of it.
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This is definitely and clearly observable. I do know, from experience, that an argument with a woman is utterly wasted time and it’s used it set precedents in her favor and then enforced them as she sees fit.
Then inject confusion and uncertainty.
It is a game. She knows how to get you to react. If you win an argument it was to her favor and her next tool to crush you.
As long as you think she’s valuable. You can’t win. And even if you did? You haven’t won anything.
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Yeah the whole cluster b thing is a nightmare waiting to happen for a normal brained individual who is unaware of what it is they are dealing with.
That rage that I had watching someone I fell in love with effortlessly and without a shred of remorse turn into the complete opposite human being AND get angry that I was upset by it is something that haunts me.
The now you see it now you don’t aspect of their personality has such an effect on you that it can take years after you last see them for you to be able to even understand what you were dealing with. From time to time I still think about some of the things she said and I realize just how dangerous she was. Tbh I’m surprised I didn’t kill myself or her or both in the aftermath of that “relationship”. It was that bad.
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I just have a small tip and it’s possible that I am completely wrong.
Let’s say you are talking to a woman. Any woman. All of a sudden, after she said something or somehow changes her body language. That right there IS the communication. Her words are a manipulative smoke screen. To even participate is to empower it. That initial trigger IS the communication.
Let’s say you are talking to a woman. Any woman. All of a sudden, after she said something or somehow changes her body language. That right there IS the communication. Her words are a manipulative smoke screen. To even participate is to empower it. That initial trigger IS the communication.
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When you feel that trigger flip, she’s already communicated. If you can see and feel that, you can control the outcome. It’s not to win. You can’t think that way. You hold your place in space.
No emotion. If you think it’s just too openly hostile or resentful. Dismiss her. If she is just being frustrated at life in general, just think it’s cute.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.