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Natural Attraction vs Generated Attraction

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I've seen a lot of you all discussing this topic. I think it's pretty important and deserves it's own thread.

So we all know that it's easier when women have a natural attraction towards you. They don't string you along, they don't play their little attention/validation games, and they make it very easy for you to sleep with them.

But is that to say you should only deal with women who have a high attraction level towards you? I've seen two different perspectives on it, from Roosh V and AMS.

Roosh V:
"Don’t waste your time trying to create attraction. Instead, find a girl who is already naturally attracted to you."

But AMS basically says:
"You guys only want to fvck women who have an initial high interest in you? If so, go ahead and unpledge your $5, cause you're wasting your time. The whole point of Alpha Male Strategies is to fvck b!tches who are ON THE FENCE. Anyone can fvck a girl with high interest. If you're only limiting yourself to high interest b!tches, you're leaving a whole lot of @ss on the table. I'd say about 60% of the women you meet are going to have an initial low interest. Learn to fvck that girl that sees you as a 5, or 6."

This goes into what I was saying about raising interest. I want to know how to raise a woman's interest. I think I agree with perspective B a bit more.... But I'll need to keep improving/getting in the field until I can get it there.

But I wanted to know, what do you all think?
The problem with RooshV's take is that most guys will have a tough time finding a girl who is highly attracted to him.

The problem with AMS's take is that it will lead to naive guys wasting a huge amount of time pursuing girls with low interest, resulting in cynicism and then burnout.

So both strategies are designed to fail (for most guys).
 
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Let's post some stats. I'm pretty familiar with and have good success in the nightspots with the most attractive women. These are medium sized venues which get absolutely packed on weekend nights, with a solid selection of talent.

On a slow night, I might be approached by a couple of girls and maybe double digits will show clear interest. On a better night, upwards of a dozen or more will approach and maybe a couple dozen show clear interest. These numbers are astronomical compared to most guys, at the very least top 5%, probably more like top 1%. Probably a majority of guys will never be approached romantically by a woman in their lifetime, much less by multiple women in a single night.

Think about how many women pass through a prime spot on a weekend night even if it's a smaller venue. Easily 100. That means that only 25% at most show clear interest (strong not ambiguous IOI's or approach). This is for a guy who is top 1 to top 5% in generating attraction.

For guys lower in the hierarchy, but still in the top 20%, most will not get anything more than an occasional glance or smile in the overwhelming majority of situations.

I'm trying to think of a single friend or wingman who was ever approached by even a single attractive woman in her 20's. I can't even think of one, and this is over the course of over 12 years in the game. I'm not saying it's never happened, I'm simply saying I can't recall such a situation off the top of my head.
 

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Nice post. This forum is like a microcosm of society. Most guys come here looking like overcompensating losers trying to puff up their chests
Man bashing is a feminist way of battle. Look it up its a feminine state and you do it almost in all your posts. Instead of actually educating the lesser.

Dude on Twitter tried to call out rollo recently and looked like a MAN BOOB.
 

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Man bashing is a feminist way of battle. Look it up its a feminine state and you do it almost in all your posts. Instead of actually educating the lesser.

Dude on Twitter tried to call out rollo recently and looked like a MAN BOOB.
Feminist are normally going to attack and erode a masculine image. Its automatic for them.
 

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You don’t “generate” attraction itself. In most cases what men are doing successfully that make it seem like attraction is being “generated”
So its a trick? Something not seen but seen?
are really just exposing the less obvious opportunities that are already there;
So its hocus pocus? Wait let me ask so is she? Or isn't she? Should we think more?
Better T shirt? Different walk?
How about i blow on my thumb to gain that elusive 5'8 plus?? Ohh wait
How about a NYC capital venture guy? Will that do it?
Like more posts? I mean how do we define this? More plates? More rotation?
What if the wind would blow a certain way when i wake up?
Will that produce the OLD results i have been dreaming of????
 

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you mods have seen this act before. It’s the typical “please ban me because I have no will to leave this site on my own so I’m gonna troll every thread” routine
Ok storm that's your opinion. Just because some alpha male disagrees with some of your "philosophy" your calling for a guillotine huh? Typical.
 

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WTF are you talking about?
Almonte it means what it says. Im saying all this "generating" attraction is what it is.
Its mind stuff.

Attraction is there or its not. In that moment.
Generating attraction is a fancy way of saying im "negotiating" it.

I know this guy who is a dirt bag to your standards but will literally talk to ANY female. Including in hollywood. Is he attractive? Hell no.
Does he do it? Hell yes he does and he doesn't think about "attraction generation" or Man Bashing.
 

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you mods have seen this act before. It’s the typical “please ban me because I have no will to leave this site on my own so I’m gonna troll every thread” routine
Who is the troll here? The one lifting up? Or putting men down??
Mods need to rethink who they ate banning i think?
 

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Almonte it means what it says. Im saying all this "generating" attraction is what it is.
Its mind stuff.

Attraction is there or its not. In that moment.
Generating attraction is a fancy way of saying im "negotiating" it.

I know this guy who is a dirt bag to your standards but will literally talk to ANY female. Including in hollywood. Is he attractive? Hell no.
Does he do it? Hell yes he does and he doesn't think about "attraction generation" or Man Bashing.
I get it those things aren't even in his mind. And i bet his honesty and security within himself strangely attract some of the babes.
 

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Why waste time on women in the fence? Its a no brainer, the next time she seing something flashy along the way you're done, and that time you waste are better off building a solid foundation with a girl that are truly into you.
 

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I've seen a lot of you all discussing this topic. I think it's pretty important and deserves it's own thread.

So we all know that it's easier when women have a natural attraction towards you. They don't string you along, they don't play their little attention/validation games, and they make it very easy for you to sleep with them.

But is that to say you should only deal with women who have a high attraction level towards you? I've seen two different perspectives on it, from Roosh V and AMS.

Roosh V:
"Don’t waste your time trying to create attraction. Instead, find a girl who is already naturally attracted to you."

But AMS basically says:
"You guys only want to fvck women who have an initial high interest in you? If so, go ahead and unpledge your $5, cause you're wasting your time. The whole point of Alpha Male Strategies is to fvck b!tches who are ON THE FENCE. Anyone can fvck a girl with high interest. If you're only limiting yourself to high interest b!tches, you're leaving a whole lot of @ss on the table. I'd say about 60% of the women you meet are going to have an initial low interest. Learn to fvck that girl that sees you as a 5, or 6."

This goes into what I was saying about raising interest. I want to know how to raise a woman's interest. I think I agree with perspective B a bit more.... But I'll need to keep improving/getting in the field until I can get it there.

But I wanted to know, what do you all think?
Nick mate, you're cherry picking AMS quotes.

Firstly, take everyone, field test, and see what works. Secondly, discard anything that doesn't bring ROI. Finally, revisit it later once you get down a system of your own.

AMS is on about purpose & & & choosing signals. Not cold approach. I do cold approach but, in the words of Ambi, "I don't chase. I replace."


Refrain from being dogmatic. Take everyone from mystery RSD Tyler, Rooshv, Rollo, etc. And field test everything. ToddV too. Finally, see what results + the lifestyle they live. Do you know want Rooshv lifestyle? 40+ driving north America no wife, gf or kids?

Fan of Rollo but, he doesn't offers solutions. He rants at Rooshv from the comfort of playing house and calls out mgtow and rsd. He's not Infield. He is a coach at best. He posts from the castle walls of marriage, married 8months in of dating epiphany phase despite being red pill, knowing smv a. He's a great man at breaking down gender dynamics but would he stunt in the club today? Doubts. If he was in the current era, he would struggle IMHO in the current era. Epiphany phase wife be on social media today. How would it workout today? It's something he never battled. It's game on hard mode today but, the counter balance is the options are endless.

Exercise common sense. Think for yourself.

Free thinking FTW!

Learn from all sources but know thyself. Know what you want, where you are going, and what life you want to live.

YouTube Sergio Sorkin (I think). It's a burner ToddV channel. He uploaded past digital products. Still, go Infield. The solution is Infield.

It's also dependent on what you want. I am not seeking ltr. If you are, my advice likely won't help you but, acquire options. Then, you can pick from options and pursue thereafter which could help you.
 

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Man bashing is a feminist way of battle. Look it up its a feminine state and you do it almost in all your posts. Instead of actually educating the lesser.

Dude on Twitter tried to call out rollo recently and looked like a MAN BOOB.
That's called gyno. Tell tale sign of low T.

Fan of Rollo. I just wish he could provide solutions and less mgtow or rsd rants from the castle walls of marriage and white picket fence.

Feminism is a great indication of inability to compete. A classic example is, male feminists or as Peterson calls them, weasels.
 

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Nick mate, you're cherry picking AMS quotes.

Firstly, take everyone, field test, and see what works. Secondly, discard anything that doesn't bring ROI. Finally, revisit it later once you get down a system of your own.

AMS is on about purpose & & & choosing signals. Not cold approach. I do cold approach but, in the words of Ambi, "I don't chase. I replace."


Refrain from being dogmatic. Take everyone from mystery RSD Tyler, Rooshv, Rollo, etc. And field test everything. ToddV too. Finally, see what results + the lifestyle they live. Do you know want Rooshv lifestyle? 40+ driving north America no wife, gf or kids?

Fan of Rollo but, he doesn't offers solutions. He rants at Rooshv from the comfort of playing house and calls out mgtow and rsd. He's not Infield. He is a coach at best. He posts from the castle walls of marriage, married 8months in of dating epiphany phase despite being red pill, knowing smv a. He's a great man at breaking down gender dynamics but would he stunt in the club today? Doubts. If he was in the current era, he would struggle IMHO in the current era. Epiphany phase wife be on social media today. How would it workout today? It's something he never battled. It's game on hard mode today but, the counter balance is the options are endless.

Exercise common sense. Think for yourself.

Free thinking FTW!

Learn from all sources but know thyself. Know what you want, where you are going, and what life you want to live.

YouTube Sergio Sorkin (I think). It's a burner ToddV channel. He uploaded past digital products. Still, go Infield. The solution is Infield.

It's also dependent on what you want. I am not seeking ltr. If you are, my advice likely won't help you but, acquire options. Then, you can pick from options and pursue thereafter which could help you.
Hey fam. I'm still out in the field. Grinding out my Cold Approaches and working my way up.

I like AMS. I totally agree with the Self Improvement and on purpose, and I appreciate Choosing Signals. But I just can't get behind waiting a week to call, or not cold approaching at all. I'm more of a Todd V type of guy in that respect.

I honestly think all Todd V stuff is really solid, it produces good results. He tells you to go to the gym too lol. I like his breakdowns, they make a lot of sense when I apply his concepts in the field.
 

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Hey fam. I'm still out in the field. Grinding out my Cold Approaches and working my way up.

I like AMS. I totally agree with the Self Improvement and on purpose, and I appreciate Choosing Signals. But I just can't get behind waiting a week to call, or not cold approaching at all. I'm more of a Todd V type of guy in that respect.
Same. I do more complicated pickup. ****ty logistics. Gyms sets, chick's with parents, that baeeeeee who is working etc. The probability is stupid low. Choosing signals and IOIs are layups. It's good to push boundaries.

I honestly think all Todd V stuff is really solid, it produces good results. He tells you to go to the gym too lol. I like his breakdowns, they make a lot of sense when I apply his concepts in the field.
+1

I still miss the non pc, wild wild west era of pickup. ToddV never was as in consistent in rsd. He put content out sparingly but dropped bangers. Lots of insights. I still never seen better irl than rsd Julien. He nailed down the dark triad skills in pickup. Full blown Machiavellian on STERIODS. Married now lulz but if you went full retard humping everything around the globe or not for a lack of effort, ride on playboy!

Did you check free tour?

How's school? Diet? Gym?
 
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