"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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mystery method bootcamp -- anyone here gone to one?

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The Venusian Arts handbook is the best step-by-step guide ever.
 

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I've heard that the Mystery Method bootcamp is the best there is out there.

I'm actually signing up for Juggler's bootcamp next month, when his crew comes to my town. I really like Juggler's approach and philosophy.

If you go to the Mystery Method bootcamp, we'll have to compare notes afterward!
 

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bump

I wanna know if someone on this board actually did the bootcamp and can share his experience here.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Damn, $3,000 for Mystery's boot camp! Wowsers!:crazy:

Is there anything you're going to learn at his bootcamp that you can't learn from buying his much cheaper materials? Or even watching his coaching on his reality show?
 

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speakeasy said:
...Is there anything you're going to learn at his bootcamp that you can't learn from buying his much cheaper materials? Or even watching his coaching on his reality show?
It depends on whether the guy is capable of learning new concepts without real-time interaction and feedback. As for what I've seen of the show, it barely touches on what his whole method is about.
 

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speakeasy said:
Damn, $3,000 for Mystery's boot camp! Wowsers!:crazy:

Is there anything you're going to learn at his bootcamp that you can't learn from buying his much cheaper materials? Or even watching his coaching on his reality show?
well...thats what happens when you go mainstream...it used to be $500
 

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one on one coaching with Mystery is almost 10,000$. Ridiculous.
 

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so nobody on this board ever took a MM bootcamp?
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Few guys in this forum will admit to buying any of the seduction e-books; after commenting on how "ridiculously" expensive his sessions cost, do you believe anyone would admit to attending one?
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Few guys in this forum will admit to buying any of the seduction e-books; after commenting on how "ridiculously" expensive his sessions cost, do you believe anyone would admit to attending one?
yes, since this is an anonymous internet forum...

come on guys, don't be shy...
 

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yes, since this is an anonymous internet forum...

come on guys, don't be shy...
:crackup: You expect replies to the the "jelqing" thread too, don'cha?
 

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Save your money.

The MM is based on false time constraints, fake DHV, fake stories, fake opinion openers that you don't have the slightest interest in what the answer is, manipulation, "negs" to lower her value because you're perceiving hers as being higher than yours, hiding your interest, even pretending to be Gay, looking like some kind of fag by "peacocking" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks that are external and doesn't do much for your inner game.

What kind of relationship are you going to build with a woman when your entire interaction with her is based on lies, manipulation and fakery?

If you want a preview of MM, read his book. If you still want to spend 3K on MM, which BTW Mystery no longer even teaches, then go ahead.
 

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Derek Flint said:
Save your money.

The MM is based on false time constraints, fake DHV, fake stories, fake opinion openers that you don't have the slightest interest in what the answer is, manipulation, "negs" to lower her value because you're perceiving hers as being higher than yours, hiding your interest, even pretending to be Gay, looking like some kind of fag by "peacocking" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks that are external and doesn't do much for your inner game.

What kind of relationship are you going to build with a woman when your entire interaction with her is based on lies, manipulation and fakery?

If you want a preview of MM, read his book. If you still want to spend 3K on MM, which BTW Mystery no longer even teaches, then go ahead.
The "48 Laws of Power" are based on false everything, manipulating, and back stabbing. Should we save our money and not buy that book too?

Quotes from 48 Laws:

“You can recognize these supposed nonplayers by the way they flaunt their moral qualities, their piety, their exquisite sense of justice. But since all of us hunger for power, and almost all of our actions are aimed at gaining it, the nonplayers are merely throwing dust in our eyes, distracting us from their power plays with their air of moral superiority. If you observe them closely, you will see in fact that they are often the ones most skillful at indirect manipulation, even if some of them practice it unconsciously. And they greatly resent any publicizing of the tactics they use everyday.


Law 3 – Conceal your intentions
Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. (Not very DA is it) If they have no clue what you are up to, they cannot prepare a defense. (Sounds like credit for the MM to me) Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late.


Law 6 – Court Attention At all Cost (peacocking?)
Everything is judged by its appearance; what is unseen counts for nothing. Never let yourself get lost in the crowd, then, or buried in oblivion. Stand out. Be conspicuous, at all cost. Make yourself a magnet of attention by appearing larger, more colorful, more mysterious than the bland and timid masses. (IS that not peacocking…and it is in 48 Laws of Power… things that make you go hmmm)!

Law 7 – Get others to do the work for you, but take the credit… (Manipulating and Back Stabbing… )

Law 14 – Pose as a friend, work as a spy…(manipulating and back stabbing)

“If, like the courtier of times gone by, you can master the arts of indirection, learning to seduce, charm, deceive, and subtly outmaneuver your opponents, you will attain the heights of power. You will be able to make people bend to your will without their realizing what you have done. And if they do not realize what you have done, they will neither resent nor resist you.”

All material except that enclosed in (brackets) are from: THE 48 LAWS OF POWER – ROBERT GREENE
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Derek Flint said:
Save your money.

The MM is based on false time constraints, fake DHV, fake stories, fake opinion openers that you don't have the slightest interest in what the answer is, manipulation, "negs" to lower her value because you're perceiving hers as being higher than yours, hiding your interest, even pretending to be Gay, looking like some kind of fag by "peacocking" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks that are external and doesn't do much for your inner game.
The more that I read your posts about Mystery I get a stronger feeling that you aren't that familiar with content of his work.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
The more that I read your posts about Mystery I get a stronger feeling that you aren't that familiar with content of his work.
I'm quite familiar with the MM

That is why I advise against it.
 

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Derek Flint said:
I'm quite familiar with the MM

That is why I advise against it.
So why do you only talk about the superficial "beginner" information? Why don't you expound on some of his theories and how he relates them to psychological processes?
 

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Because it's a waste of time.

PU is not that complicated and it certainly isn't as complicated as guys like Mystery make it out to be.

You want me to get into the whole S & R theory and all the other stuff he talks about?

Again, it's a waste of time. If you have to pay someone 3K to learn how to approach, attract, create comfort and isolate, then go ahead.

I don't have to spend 3K to know that the MM is based on lies, creating false value and perceptions and all that other external crap he teaches.

Again, look at the guys on his Reality show. 5 weeks and 1 kiss close with at best a drunk 7 and a number close with a 5

That speaks volumes no matter how you or others to and spin it.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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