"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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mystery method bootcamp -- anyone here gone to one?

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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The Venusian Arts handbook is the best step-by-step guide ever.
 

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I've heard that the Mystery Method bootcamp is the best there is out there.

I'm actually signing up for Juggler's bootcamp next month, when his crew comes to my town. I really like Juggler's approach and philosophy.

If you go to the Mystery Method bootcamp, we'll have to compare notes afterward!
 

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bump

I wanna know if someone on this board actually did the bootcamp and can share his experience here.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Damn, $3,000 for Mystery's boot camp! Wowsers!:crazy:

Is there anything you're going to learn at his bootcamp that you can't learn from buying his much cheaper materials? Or even watching his coaching on his reality show?
 

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speakeasy said:
...Is there anything you're going to learn at his bootcamp that you can't learn from buying his much cheaper materials? Or even watching his coaching on his reality show?
It depends on whether the guy is capable of learning new concepts without real-time interaction and feedback. As for what I've seen of the show, it barely touches on what his whole method is about.
 

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speakeasy said:
Damn, $3,000 for Mystery's boot camp! Wowsers!:crazy:

Is there anything you're going to learn at his bootcamp that you can't learn from buying his much cheaper materials? Or even watching his coaching on his reality show?
well...thats what happens when you go mainstream...it used to be $500
 

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one on one coaching with Mystery is almost 10,000$. Ridiculous.
 

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so nobody on this board ever took a MM bootcamp?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Few guys in this forum will admit to buying any of the seduction e-books; after commenting on how "ridiculously" expensive his sessions cost, do you believe anyone would admit to attending one?
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Few guys in this forum will admit to buying any of the seduction e-books; after commenting on how "ridiculously" expensive his sessions cost, do you believe anyone would admit to attending one?
yes, since this is an anonymous internet forum...

come on guys, don't be shy...
 

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yes, since this is an anonymous internet forum...

come on guys, don't be shy...
:crackup: You expect replies to the the "jelqing" thread too, don'cha?
 

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Save your money.

The MM is based on false time constraints, fake DHV, fake stories, fake opinion openers that you don't have the slightest interest in what the answer is, manipulation, "negs" to lower her value because you're perceiving hers as being higher than yours, hiding your interest, even pretending to be Gay, looking like some kind of fag by "peacocking" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks that are external and doesn't do much for your inner game.

What kind of relationship are you going to build with a woman when your entire interaction with her is based on lies, manipulation and fakery?

If you want a preview of MM, read his book. If you still want to spend 3K on MM, which BTW Mystery no longer even teaches, then go ahead.
 

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Derek Flint said:
Save your money.

The MM is based on false time constraints, fake DHV, fake stories, fake opinion openers that you don't have the slightest interest in what the answer is, manipulation, "negs" to lower her value because you're perceiving hers as being higher than yours, hiding your interest, even pretending to be Gay, looking like some kind of fag by "peacocking" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks that are external and doesn't do much for your inner game.

What kind of relationship are you going to build with a woman when your entire interaction with her is based on lies, manipulation and fakery?

If you want a preview of MM, read his book. If you still want to spend 3K on MM, which BTW Mystery no longer even teaches, then go ahead.
The "48 Laws of Power" are based on false everything, manipulating, and back stabbing. Should we save our money and not buy that book too?

Quotes from 48 Laws:

“You can recognize these supposed nonplayers by the way they flaunt their moral qualities, their piety, their exquisite sense of justice. But since all of us hunger for power, and almost all of our actions are aimed at gaining it, the nonplayers are merely throwing dust in our eyes, distracting us from their power plays with their air of moral superiority. If you observe them closely, you will see in fact that they are often the ones most skillful at indirect manipulation, even if some of them practice it unconsciously. And they greatly resent any publicizing of the tactics they use everyday.


Law 3 – Conceal your intentions
Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. (Not very DA is it) If they have no clue what you are up to, they cannot prepare a defense. (Sounds like credit for the MM to me) Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late.


Law 6 – Court Attention At all Cost (peacocking?)
Everything is judged by its appearance; what is unseen counts for nothing. Never let yourself get lost in the crowd, then, or buried in oblivion. Stand out. Be conspicuous, at all cost. Make yourself a magnet of attention by appearing larger, more colorful, more mysterious than the bland and timid masses. (IS that not peacocking…and it is in 48 Laws of Power… things that make you go hmmm)!

Law 7 – Get others to do the work for you, but take the credit… (Manipulating and Back Stabbing… )

Law 14 – Pose as a friend, work as a spy…(manipulating and back stabbing)

“If, like the courtier of times gone by, you can master the arts of indirection, learning to seduce, charm, deceive, and subtly outmaneuver your opponents, you will attain the heights of power. You will be able to make people bend to your will without their realizing what you have done. And if they do not realize what you have done, they will neither resent nor resist you.”

All material except that enclosed in (brackets) are from: THE 48 LAWS OF POWER – ROBERT GREENE
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Derek Flint said:
Save your money.

The MM is based on false time constraints, fake DHV, fake stories, fake opinion openers that you don't have the slightest interest in what the answer is, manipulation, "negs" to lower her value because you're perceiving hers as being higher than yours, hiding your interest, even pretending to be Gay, looking like some kind of fag by "peacocking" and a bunch of other gimmicks and tricks that are external and doesn't do much for your inner game.
The more that I read your posts about Mystery I get a stronger feeling that you aren't that familiar with content of his work.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
The more that I read your posts about Mystery I get a stronger feeling that you aren't that familiar with content of his work.
I'm quite familiar with the MM

That is why I advise against it.
 

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I'm quite familiar with the MM

That is why I advise against it.
So why do you only talk about the superficial "beginner" information? Why don't you expound on some of his theories and how he relates them to psychological processes?
 

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Because it's a waste of time.

PU is not that complicated and it certainly isn't as complicated as guys like Mystery make it out to be.

You want me to get into the whole S & R theory and all the other stuff he talks about?

Again, it's a waste of time. If you have to pay someone 3K to learn how to approach, attract, create comfort and isolate, then go ahead.

I don't have to spend 3K to know that the MM is based on lies, creating false value and perceptions and all that other external crap he teaches.

Again, look at the guys on his Reality show. 5 weeks and 1 kiss close with at best a drunk 7 and a number close with a 5

That speaks volumes no matter how you or others to and spin it.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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